Lowering the Rate of Unemployment for the National Guard
LOWERING THE RATE OF UNEMPLOYMENT FOR THE NATIONAL
SUBCOMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY
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U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
ONE HUNDRED TWELFTH CONGRESS
FEBRUARY 2, 2012
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SUBCOMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC
Pursuant to clause 2(e)(4) of Rule XI of the Rules of the House,
C O N T E N T S
February 2, 2012
Lowering the Rate of Unemployment for the National Guard
Mr. Theodore (Ted) L. Daywalt, CEO and President VetJobs
Prepared statement of Mr. Daywalt
Ms. Emily DeRocco, President The Manufacturing Institute
Prepared statement of Ms. DeRocco
MG Terry M. Haston, Adjutant General Tennessee National Guard
Prepared statement of MG Haston
MG Timothy E. Orr, Adjutant General Iowa National Guard
Prepared statement of MG Orr
BG Margaret Washburn, Assistant Adjutant General, Indiana National Guard
Prepared statement of BG Washburn
BG Marianne Watson, Director, Manpower and Personnel, National Guard Bureau
Richard (Dick) A. Rue, State Chair, Iowa Employer Support of Guard and Reserve
Prepared statement of Mr. Rue
Mr. Ronald G. Young, Director, Family and Employer Program and Policy, U.S.
Department of Defense
Prepared statement of Mr. Young
Mr. Ismael “Junior” Ortiz, Acting Assistant Secretary, Veterans’ Employment and
Training Service, U.S. Department of Labor
Prepared statement of Mr. Ortiz
SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD
Reserve Officers Association of the United States
and Reserve Enlisted Association, statement
LOWERING THE RATE OF UNEMPLOYMENT FOR THE NATIONAL GUARD
Thursday, February 2, 2012
U. S. House of Representatives,
Subcommittee on Economic Opportunity,
Committee on Veterans' Affairs,
The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:23 a.m., in Room 334,
Cannon House Office Building, Hon. Marlin A. Stutzman [chairman of the subcommittee]
Stutzman, Bilirakis, Johnson, Braley, and Sanchez.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Good morning and welcome to the first Subcommittee on Economic
Opportunity hearing of this session.
do apologize for the late start. Several of us Members were at the national
prayer breakfast this morning and they let the President out early and first.
And so we came second and by the time we got through traffic, it took us some
time. So I apologize for that.
I do want to welcome each of you here and thank you for your patience, and
welcome the Members as well.
after the end of the Vietnam War, the United States defense policy changed to
transition the National Guard and reserves from a strategic reserve to an
were several reasons for doing this ranging from the perception that a reliance
on the reserve components would lessen the likelihood of military actions in
the future to reducing the cost of our defense forces.
of those reasons, members of the Guard and reserves have borne a significant
share of the combat since 9/11. Clearly there are no longer weekend warriors
as there once was.
also means that employers, especially small businesses, have experienced labor
challenges not seen since World War II and by and large have supported their
employees. Unfortunately, active-duty call-ups combined with a bad economy
have created historically high unemployment rates among the guard and the
more unfortunate, you will hear today that some employers have used what I
believe are less than ethical tactics to terminate members of the Guard and
the owner of a small business, I understand the pressures on employers that the
loss of a critical employee creates. But in the end, the question I always ask
is who is making the greater sacrifice, the employer or the servicemember who
is literally going in harm’s way and that member’s family who must cope with
all the stresses of a deployment.
will also hear today from the National Association of Manufacturing about the
over 600,000 manufacturing jobs going unfilled because of skill shortages.
With that kind of information, we must ask ourselves what are we as a Nation
example, taxpayers are providing a generous GI Bill education and training
program and the Department of Education offers numerous Title 4 financial
assistance programs. In many cases, the states are also offering generous
education and training benefits to members of their states’ National Guard as
well as veterans in general.
the recently passed Vow to Hire Heroes Act focuses on renewing the skills of
unemployed veterans between the ages of 35 and 60 by providing up to a year of
Montgomery GI Bill benefits. Veterans also have priority access to all
Department of Labor Workforce Investment Act or WIA programs. All of these
education and benefits programs offer opportunities to acquire skills needed by
where are we going wrong? Where are the gaps? And I look forward to some
concrete ideas here today to help us. I would note that none of the government
witnesses have made any suggestions in their written
am pleased to see that manufacturers are increasing their role as you will hear
in today’s testimony. And I believe that increasing initiatives by the
employer side of the equation is an area that offers significant leverage in
developing and matching skills with job vacancies.
the end, it will likely be up to employers to take actions at the local level
rather than moving jobs overseas. I know that many companies work with
community colleges to develop skills needed in their company and I suspect that
expanding that model is an area we need to explore further.
I yield to the ranking member, as everyone knows, the Transition Assistance
Program is an integral part of transition. In fact, I believe that every one
of today’s witnesses mentions TAP in their written testimony.
preparing for this hearing, the staff asked the Administration for a briefing
on the redesign of the TAP Program. Unfortunately, that briefing has been
delayed pending a release of a study done for the White House.
I commend the Administration for doing the study, delaying its release for
whatever reason does not help Congress or the Administration to get on with
revitalizing an important program and I urge the White House to release the
study as soon as possible.
once again, I want to welcome each of you and thank you for being here, and at
this time will recognize the distinguished ranking member, Mr. Braley, for his
[The statement of Hon. Stutzman appears in the Appendix.]
Mr. BRALEY Thanks, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for holding this important
of the unique characteristics of the national guard and how it impacts the
employability of veterans who serve their country with honor and distinction, I am
very pleased that all of our witnesses have joined us here today. I look forward
to their testimony and want to pay special attention to two of our witnesses
here today from my State of Iowa.
first is Major General Timothy Orr who is the adjutant general of the Iowa
National Guard and has done a phenomenal job during the period of time I have
served in Congress.
thank you for being here, General Orr.
another good friend of mine, Dick Rue, who is the state chair of the Iowa
Employer Support of Guard and Reserve
and has had an extraordinary opportunity to see these issues up close and
personally because of the extensive deployments that our guard has experienced
in the last decade.
of the things that Chairman Stutzman and I did to try to get a better
understanding of how these issues impact our country is to hold two field hearings in October, one in Waterloo, Iowa and one in Fort
Wayne, Indiana. And we had great witnesses at both of these field hearings
from employers to guard members to active-duty members who had been demobilized
and returning to the civilian workforce.
One of the things that was so important that we heard from them is that some of
those servicemembers looking for work actually felt compelled to de-emphasize
their service to their country because of fears that employers would not want
to hire them.
I think that is a sad reality in our country but one that deserves our special
attention because a lot of that is due to fear and misinformation. Our
responsibility is to clear up that cloud and do everything we can so that
employers recognize the unique gifts and experience that veterans bring to the
know that because right before I was elected to Congress I had a legal
assistant who was a veteran who served in the Marine Corps and all the job
skills that she brought to work every day were a reflection of some of the
training and experience she had in her service to our country.
am also extremely proud of what the State of Iowa has done and its embrace of
the Hire Our Heroes Program.
after we had our field hearing in Iowa, Mr. Chairman, there was a hiring our
heroes job fair in Des Moines, Iowa about a month later and a lot of the things
that we talk about here were out in the open giving employers and prospective
employees the opportunity to bridge that gap and identify those job qualities
that veterans bring that are so critical to employers who want to succeed,
dependability, reliability, critical thinking skills, problem solving skills.
so I am very, very pleased that we are having this. The reason why this is so
important, we know that over 600,000 members of the national guard and reserve
have been mobilized since the attacks on our country on September 11th
of 2001. Nearly 15,000 members of the Iowa National Guard have served their
country at home and across the world.
just this past summer, 2,800 members of the Iowa National Guard returned from
deployment to Afghanistan.
think a lot of times, we spend a lot of time talking about policy and forget
about the human faces that are affected by those policies.
me, the importance of what brings us here today was driven home on a very
memorable Friday, the 13th when I was stranded at the airport in
Atlanta, Georgia. My flights were getting canceled and I saw a young man
wearing his red bull’s patch from the Iowa national guard watching with
disappointment as he was trying to get home to his family for a short reprieve
while serving in Afghanistan.
walked up and introduced myself. His name was Nathan Rose. He was from Mount
Pleasant, Iowa. In his spare time, he was trying to get an education at
the University of Iowa. When we got to talking, I learned he had been at
that airport all day long trying to get home as his flight was canceled.
When our last flight option to Iowa disappeared, I told him I was flying to
Chicago and renting a car and I invited him to join me and he did. We had
more flights canceled and it ended up I dropped him off at his place in North
Liberty, Iowa at 2:30 in the morning and then drove back to Davenport.
I wish every Member of Congress could have had a similar experience because we
spent the whole drive from Chicago to Iowa talking about his hopes, his dreams,
and his future. And if we have people like Nathan Rose out on our front lines
protecting us, then we have a solemn duty to them to do everything we can by
not just slapping them on the back and telling them good job but actually
helping them find a good job.
with that, I will yield back.
[The statement of Hon. Braley appears in the Appendix.]
Mr. STUTZMAN. Thank you, Mr. Braley.
at this time, I want to welcome our first panel to the table and we are looking
forward to your testimony.
with us today is Ms. Emily DeRocco and she is representing the National
Association of Manufacturers and Mr. Ted Daywalt, CEO of VetJobs.com.
we welcome both of you and your written testimony will be made part of the
we will start with you, Ms. DeRocco, for five minutes. You are recognized at
OF EMILY DEROCCO, PRESIDENT, THE MANUFACTURING INSTITUTE; THEODORE L. DAYWALT,
CEO AND PRESIDENT, VETJOBS
Mr. DEROCCO Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman and Members of the subcommittee,
for the opportunity to join you this morning.
name is Emily DeRocco and I am president of the Manufacturing Institute which
is the nonprofit affiliate of the National Association of Manufacturers.
mission is to serve the Nation’s manufacturers through solutions and services
focused on education, workforce development, and innovation acceleration.
know, over the past few months, manufacturing has enjoyed something of a
national spotlight, hasn’t it? Organizations all across Washington from the
White House to the Congress, thinks tanks and government agencies have been
discussing the manufacturing industry and what America must do to maintain and
grow its manufacturing base.
manufacturing is certainly deserving of this recognition because it is the
industry that is truly vital to our economic security. Manufacturing, for
example, is the leader in generating wealth from overseas, contributing 57
percent of the total value of U.S. exports.
course, manufacturing also plays a very vital role in our national security,
building the equipment and machines and armor that equip and protect our
servicemen and women around the world.
American public understands how important manufacturing is to our country. Each
year, we conduct a public perception survey to understand how Americans feel
about manufacturing jobs and careers.
only do they believe that manufacturing is critical to our economic and
national security, but when given a choice of what industry they would like to
create 1,000 new jobs in their community, their number one choice is
while manufacturing enjoys the support of policymakers and the public, our
manufacturing companies face a serious challenge. They are unable to find
workers with the right education and skills to contribute to their operations.
a survey that we just completed at the end of last year, over 80 percent of
manufacturers reported a moderate to serious skill shortage in skilled
production, 80 percent. Nearly 75 percent of manufacturers say that this
shortage has negatively impacted their ability to expand operations. That
means create the jobs that our country so desperately needs.
most alarming, though, is that because much of the current workforce is quickly
approaching retirement, over two-thirds of manufacturers expect this situation
to get worse in the next three to five years.
this has led to the situation that the chairman referenced where five percent
of all jobs in manufacturing are unfilled because companies cannot find the
qualified workers. In real terms, that translates to 600,000 unfilled jobs.
those are some frightening results and make clear the threat that a lack of a
skilled workforce poses to manufacturers.
the same time, it is widely accepted that the skills obtained in the military
from personal effectiveness attributes such as integrity and professionalism to
more technically defined skills such as process design and development are in
abundance among separating military personnel.
it has traditionally been a real challenge to directly align the skills
developed during military service to the skill requirements in the private
addition, we found that the services offered through the transition assistance
programs vary base by base, command by command. And traditionally the military
has focused more on retention than on helping individuals transition out.
Those times have changed, but that means we have two problems.
Transition Assistance Program has been inconsistent and often outdated in its
attempt to help transitioning military personnel. At the same time,
manufacturers want access to those highly skilled potential members of our
we now have a new system that will help with both of these challenges. The
Manufacturing Institute has created with a company called Futures an on-line
platform that is called the U.S. manufacturing pipeline.
will provide the information for separating military to learn about careers and
jobs available in advanced manufacturing. It will locate the schools, the
community colleges that can fill any educational skills gaps that they might
have and it will find all available jobs and manufacturers in every region of
this country. For manufacturers it will be the single place to find the
skilled workers they need to close the skills gap.
pipeline platform has been up and running for a very short period of time, just
a couple of months, and no significant marketing campaign has been conducted.
Over 35,000 servicemen and women are now using their site for their career and
employment exploration. This is entirely through peer to peer and viral
marketing. But that number is set to increase dramatically.
understand the Defense Department is preparing a major marketing campaign to
reach over one million armed forces, reserve and national guard personnel and
encourage them to sign up in the Heroes to Hire Program.
U.S. manufacturing pipeline and the Heroes to Hire platform are being
integrated and our manufacturers will have access to all of those returning
reserve and guard. And this is fantastic news.
we are successful with this group of servicemen, we look forward very quickly
to working with the transition assistance programs for each of the services to
reach all active-duty personnel who are nearing their transition date offering
manufacturing jobs as an immediate career opportunity for all men and women who
have served in uniform.
am very excited about the fact that we are very close to having the national
talent solution for manufacturing in this country. Our manufacturers need the
skilled workforce to compete. Our separating military need good jobs and our
country needs manufacturing to ensure this is another great American century.
you and I look forward to your questions.
statement of Emily DeRocco appears in the Appendix.]
Mr. STUTZMAN. Thank you very much.
Daywalt, we will recognize you for five minutes.
Mr. DAYWALT Good morning, Chairman, Members and staff of the subcommittee.
me to start by saying I am a very strong proponent of an operational national
guard and reserve. Having an operational national guard and reserve makes the
United States strong on the international stage, but the use of the national guard
needs to be done in such a way so as to permit the component members to
maintain a continuum of civilian employment so they can support their families.
data I see indicates a rise in the unemployment veteran rate is a direct result
of a DoD call-up policy implemented in January of 2007. The call-up policy
which has resulted in multiple call-ups for many component members has caused
many employers to not want to hire members of the national guard which has led
to the high unemployment rate in young veterans.
military and by extension the national guard is a young person’s occupation.
Studies by the Society of Human Resource Management and Workforce Management
indicate that due to the perceived constant activation in the national guard
upwards of 65 percent of employers will not now hire as a new employee an active member of the
VetJobs, we find that if a veteran has totally separated from the military,
retired, or is a wounded warrior, they are for the most part finding
employment, but that conclusion is supported in the BLS charts in my written
this is not to say some veterans transitioning off active duty are not having
difficulties in this tough economy. One can always find an exception. But
with an overall unemployment rate of only 7.7 percent in December, it is
obvious that most veterans are finding jobs.
concerns me greatly is as DoD downsizes the active-duty forces, the younger
members of the national guard will be facing another problem, competing with
the downsized military personnel for civilian jobs.
yourself in the position of an employer. A transitioning veteran applies to
your company. They have all the skill sets you want. They have got the
training you want and they have no further obligation to the military. You
have a great candidate that will work for your company full time.
also have a candidate from the national guard who has the same skill sets, but
you have been reading in the press that the national guard candidate may get
called up. The national guard candidate will also want time off so they can
attend military schools which are a part of their continuum of military
service. And the national guard candidate may be subject to short call-ups by
the state governor to handle state emergencies.
a civilian employer, who are you going to hire? Obviously the candidate who
has no further military obligations. Understand that when it comes to a
workforce, employers are risk averse.
predict and I fear that the bottom line for the young veteran unemployment
which has been hovering in the low to mid 30 percent range throughout the
latter half of 2011 may go as high as 50 percent if nothing is done to
alleviate this situation.
I would like to make it real clear that the only way that we can be absolutely
certain about the conclusions I drew in my written testimony is to have BLS to
ask follow-up questions as to whether a military respondent is in the national
guard and the reserve or whatever. They just dump them all into one pot.
be honest, if I had been on active duty faced with the same challenges our
leaders at DoD faced during the war, I would have probably made the same
decisions, but I would have admitted that it is causing issues and I would have
worked to alleviate some of the problems rather than just ignore them or
pretend that they do not exist.
at war, needing troops, irrespective of the source, trumps personal problems. The
old adage that the needs of the service comes first is well known by all
a business point of view, one must understand that companies have a fiduciary
responsibility to their shareholders to run an efficient and profitable
operation, but they cannot do that if they cannot count on the ability of their
most vital asset, their human capital.
for a businessperson this is common sense, those making the decisions as to how
to utilize the national guard seem to have missed what corporate America is
saying about extended call-ups. They will not support having their employees
gone for long periods of time.
am very glad that we are now at the point where many, although not all, key
decision makers recognize that there is a problem. We cannot go back and
correct the past, but we can move forward and work together to fix the
military personnel are the best in the world and civilian employers recognize
that and want their skills, their security clearances, their leadership and
everything that a military candidate brings to the companies. For the most
part, the military candidate is in demand so long as the employer can count on
having the employee available.
there is no silver bullet for solving the unemployment problem in the national
guard, a combination of policy changes and utilizing existing public sector
resources will go a long way towards assisting those members in the national
guard who need employment assistance.
my written testimony, I review 11 ideas that may help improve the unemployment
problem facing the national guard.
understand that without a strong military, their businesses could not exist as
a foreign power would want to take their business. The United States had to
learn this the hard way in the 1930s when we disarmed post World War I.
who will not protect what they have are subject to losing what they have and as
the Latin phrase si vis pacem, para bellum so aptly points out to have peace,
prepare for war.
more balanced way to utilize the national guard needs to be found.
you for your time, Chairman.
statement of Theodore L. Daywalt appears in the Appendix.]
Mr. STUTZMAN. Thank you.
found some very interesting points in both of your testimony and I will begin
of you mentioned the soft skills, integrity, character traits that our men and
women learn in the military.
I think that is an easier sell to employers,
but if employers are looking for hard skills for manufacturing, what are they
looking for exactly?
mean, first of all, we know the type of character that our men and
women do have once they served in the military, of course, but what about some
of the hard skills and the type of manufacturing that employers might be
looking for particularly?
Mr. DEROCCO Manufacturers, as I am sure all Members of the subcommittee
realize, have been evolving over the course of the last 10 or 15 years as they
have gone lean to be competitive in the global marketplace and, quite frankly,
infused significant technology in their business processes. All of this has
been to the benefit of the manufacturers and their competitiveness.
also at a time when a significant number of low skill routinized jobs moved off
our shores, there was, in fact, a 12 percent increase in the number of jobs
requiring a more highly educated and skilled workforce necessary for the value added
manufacturing we do in the U.S. today. That meant that there was a
disconnect in what the educational system and the workforce system were
delivering to manufacturers.
have spent the last three years at the institute actually creating and
deploying a system of nationally portable industry recognized credentials that
validate the learning standards and learning content in high-end production
technicians, machining, precision machining and metal forming, welding and
technology skills that are required in every manufacturing job across 14
sectors in our manufacturing economy.
skill sets are now being deployed in curriculum in community colleges in 36
states across the country, Indiana and Iowa being among the leaders in that
U.S. Manufacturing Pipeline, the returning reserve and guard and ultimately
active duty military personnel can translate the skills they have learned in their MOS to the
requirements in the civilian manufacturing labor force. Whatever gaps they
have in those hard technical skills can be quickly filled now in community
college programs of study, whether the soldier, sailor, airman or marine is
working to get a degree or simply to have the skills and the industry credentials
that will be their immediate passport to employment.
yes, the soft skills are critically important and, quite frankly, manufacturers
are first up at the table to say we want the separating military personnel
because they come with that work ethic and discipline.
we are prepared as a Nation now to fill any gaps in their training to assure
that the hard technical skills that will position them for great jobs in
advanced manufacturing, whether it is in energy or automotive, aerospace or
biopharma, are on their portfolio.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Okay. Thank you.
Daywalt, I would ask you if you could describe in greater detail situations
that you have heard about where an employer lays off a national guardsman under
the guise of economic hardship before they have orders in hand to deploy as a
way around USERRA. You have heard of those situations. Could you describe
that a little bit further?
Mr. DAYWALT Yes, sir. We more than hear about it. We are the recipient.
Every time people get laid off, they call VetJobs. I will give you an example.
Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, we had 20 phone calls from South Carolina. All
20 of them had just been released from their civilian employers. All 20 just
happened to be in the national guard. And, oh, by the way, on Friday, they
announced that the South Carolina brigade was going to be called up.
of the brigades that have come--and understand that these people are not coming
back with unemployment rates high. You know, right now over there, the
Minnesota brigade has 28 percent. Supposedly the Oklahoma brigade has 68
percent unemployment. They left with those unemployment rates because people
figured out how to get around USERRA. And that is not right.
the problem is what do you do about. If you make it a law that as soon as
someone--it is announced that they are called up, nobody will ever hire a
member of the national guard. We have got to find a balance in there some
place. You have got to give the employers more incentives to want to hire
the person because right now they are seeing them more as a legal and financial
liability than they are as a productive part of their workforce because of the
rules on the employers got changed and they were not consulted. And a lot of
them are kind of upset. You know, you talk to the vice president or president
of Conway Trucking. He is very vocal about it as well as some others. It
happens. It is unfortunate, but it does happen.
Mr. STUTZMAN. He is very vocal about other companies that are--
Mr. DAYWALT Well, he is very vocal about, you know, his people being called up
multiple times and what it is costing him. He was on a 60 minutes program and
talked about how it is costing their company nearly a half a million dollars to
support their national guards people and they are not being reimbursed by the
government for when that person is taken away.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Yes.
Mr. DAYWALT He put it real well in the interview. If you are going to take my
employees away for 30 percent of the time, cover the 30 percent of my medical
cost. You know, they are businesspeople.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Yes.
Mr. DAYWALT And they want to support, but they cannot go broke doing it.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Right. Right.
Mr. DAYWALT And that is why they target the national guard more than
the reserve and the regulars because the national guard is also used locally.
What we see as a general rule is that if you are totally separated, you have
totally left the military, you are not having a problem.
some do. They have got bad attitudes. You know, I had a chief that was an
ammunition handler living in central Florida and he was complaining that he
could not find in central Florida an ammunition handling job. And I told him,
hey, you are in the wrong state.
you know, for the most part, if they look, there are jobs out there for them.
And that is borne out by the fact that the unemployment rate is only 7.7
percent last month.
Mr. STUTZMAN. All right. Thank you.
Mr. BRALEY Mr. Daywalt, let’s get to that example you just raised. If the
president of this trucking company is concerned about the government picking up
30 percent of his medical cost, isn’t the smarter answer to require health
insurers who have no insurable risk when somebody is on active-duty employment
and the government is paying for their healthcare to rebate that percentage of
Mr. DAYWALT That is a possibility. I kind of liked what Lieutenant General
Jack Stultz proposed once, that so long as someone is in the national guard or
in the reserve, you give them and their family complete coverage medically.
this gives the candidate a great bonus to go into an employer and say "by the
way, you know, 35 percent of your cost of hiring me is your medical cost, you
do not have to pay that on me." It is paid for because I am in the national
guard. That would help.
is little things like that coupled with other things that would help. But you
Mr. BRALEY No. And I think that is a great solution, too. But my point is
when you hear complaints like this, we cannot just accept them at face value
without pulling the layer back and looking at the real world solutions because
you know that if that person is on active deployment, there is no longer an
insurable risk to that employer.
Mr. DAYWALT That is right, but there is for the family.
Mr. BRALEY So I think we can solve a lot of these problems, but we have to put
our heads together. We have to work across party lines and come up with
practical solutions to address the concerns that employers raise.
Ms. DeRocco, you know, you are preaching to the choir because as chairman of
the populist Caucus which was founded to promote economic policies that are
going to strengthen and expand access to the middle class, one of our principal
focuses is on developing a robust national manufacturing strategy to address a
huge problem which is in the past decade, we have lost 54,000 manufacturers in
last week, the National Science Board reported that we have lost a quarter of
our high-tech manufacturers in the last decade.
Mr. Stutzman and I both come from rural America. I went to a small high
school. I took four years of high school shop classes and all those job skills
you described are things I learned in high school and, yet, you look at the
impact our education policy has on all these issues, most students in small
schools do not even have access to those programs anymore.
you mentioned the community college system. A lot of times, that is now an
entry point for people to get the skills that you have described are
desperately needed in manufacturing today and, yet, I think we do a really poor
job when we talk about the importance of education and its relationship to your
lifetime earning capacity which nobody argues with, but helping prepare people
for good paying jobs that are blue collar jobs many times, but they have much
different technical skills required than when I graduated from high school
right after the Vietnam War ended and you could walk out of my high school,
drive an hour to John Deere in Waterloo and get a job in a factory, drive 30
minutes to Maytag and Newton and get a job and drive 30 minutes to Amana
Refrigeration and get a job without any trouble.
that is not the world these veterans are returning to. So how do we solve
Mr. DEROCCO That is true. And I just want to comment that we are changing the
educational pathways in this country to present from high school to community
colleges the opportunity to gain the academic and applied skills that will
position them for middle class jobs across our economy. That is our whole
intention and that is going to be critical to keeping and growing manufacturing
in this country.
I very much appreciate the practical solution you have suggested in response to
Ted’s anecdote. I have to say in my prior position, spending seven years at the
U.S. Department of Labor as the assistant secretary of employment and training
responsible for that workforce investment system, dealing with employers across
all sectors in our economy, and now after four years of representing
manufacturers who I believe are among the life blood of this
country and among the most patriotic individuals I have ever had the pleasure
and honor of working for, there is a total disconnect between the way we
transition our military men and women, whether they are reserve, guard or
active duty, out of the military and into civilian jobs.
is not rocket science and it makes no sense that we have not been able to make
direct connections from the extraordinary training in the military, the
well-defined MOSs, to a translation to a civilian credential, whether it is in
healthcare, information technology, manufacturing, or other sectors, so that
they have immediate employment opportunities.
want these people first. I had the
former president of ABC representing construction management firms across the
country call me not six months ago and he said he voluntarily identified with
major construction contractors across America over 1,000 jobs ready to be
filled because his personal mission was to make sure returning veterans had
had been able through the systems we have in place, the workforce investment
system, the veterans’ employment and training system, the Transition Assistance
Program, he had been able to find two veterans looking for a job. That is
tragic and, quite frankly, ridiculous.
industry, in the case of manufacturing, is taking it upon itself to build the
platform that can directly connect these military men and women top jobs through their
e-resume. They are all on line. They all have laptops.
daughter just returned from Iraq. She had a laptop in the sands of Iraq. They
can put their e-resume on line and they can position themselves for where the
jobs are, what their MOS prepares them for, what civilian credential they could
get immediately with an assessment, and where they could get employed.
We have to make those connections, and employers are stepping up to the plate to
do it. But the military has to, too. The rest of the federal agencies in
support of the military have to and, quite frankly, our surround services like
the insurance companies do as well.
Mr. BRALEY I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Mr. Johnson, you are recognized.
Mr. JOHNSON Ms. DeRocco, you said that TAP is inconsistent and often outdated.
What in your opinion needs to change to make TAP effective and where can your
Mr. DEROCCO I think it has to be directly on point to industry, jobs, and
careers of today, the 21st century. We have to provide career
awareness and recruitment information to military men and women regardless of
where they are and we have the capability to do that on line.
employment opportunities have to be directly aligned to the MOS and training
that these young men and women are receiving in the military so that there is
an easy, immediate translation of their MOS prior to their separation to the
need to be able to search our jobs by zip code to the place which they want to
muster out or to their home territory. Where do they want to live? What does
the job picture look like there? What skills do I have now that position me
for immediate employment?
if I need other skills, we are going to connect them directly to the community
college that is going to provide that for them. So they need the pathways from
military to education to careers and it has to be done on an accelerated basis.
Mr. JOHNSON Sure. Another question just popped in my mind. Do you find merit
in the idea that, you know, there are many, many jobs in the manufacturing
sector that require specialized certifications?
lot of our veterans come out of the military with training that far exceeds
most certification programs, yet when they enter the workforce, because they do
not have a piece of paper, they have to go back through that burdensome,
onerous certification process from scratch.
you think we need to build a bridge on those certification processes so our
veterans who are highly skilled and trained are ready to go to work the day
they show up?
Mr. DEROCCO Absolutely. And that is exactly what we are doing in
manufacturing. Our credentials or certifications-- for those who are not
intimately familiar with them-- are built on industry's learning standards and
content and then you take an assessment--
Mr. JOHNSON Sure.
Mr. DEROCCO --a proficiency assessment. It is most like a two-part assessment,
the theory and the performance.
Mr. JOHNSON Yeah.
Mr. DEROCCO We should now absolutely provide the assessment on line for them to
use their military experience and knowledge to see if they assess to the
credential wherever they are and receive it before they ever set foot back
Mr. JOHNSON Are you feeding that information to the Department of Defense?
know, I am retired air force and I cannot speak for them, but having served in
that culture, I was an instructor in what used to be air training command, now
air education and training command, there was an impetus, there was a
certification awareness as we went through our training for very specialized
you engaged, is your industry engaged with the DoD? Do you get those
certifications at the time the training is accomplished?
Mr. DEROCCO Absolutely. We have had dozens of meetings with the individual
services, with DoD, and with the White House, quite frankly. Part of our
problem seems to be that no one just makes the decision to do it. So I might
have connected this morning--
Mr. JOHNSON That is too common sensical and you know there is not an abundance
of that here in Washington.
Mr. DEROCCO Yeah. Well, it is a difficult maze for industry too--
Mr. JOHNSON Well, we would like to help with that.
Mr. DEROCCO We would love your help. Thank you.
Mr. JOHNSON So to the extent that we can, we would like to help.
know, having come through, I have worked in manufacturing in the private sector,
and I know that training is a large part of their gearing up process when they
bring on new employees.
is the temperature within the industry as far as helping to fund some of this
training for veterans? Do you think employers are willing to do that in those
cases where maybe a certification process does not exist or it is not required
but specialized training still is? Do you think employers are willing to do
Mr. DEROCCO Absolutely. Most of our employers have tuition assistance programs
and partnerships particularly with their community colleges. And I think those
arrangements can quite readily be made.
as an example, we rolled out in Minneapolis this fall an accelerated 16-week
college program followed by a required paid internship program for eight weeks
that would lead to instant employment. And we wondered, are the employers going
to line up with the paid internship--
Mr. JOHNSON Sure.
Mr. DEROCCO --if they are able to get these skilled workers. At all three campuses
of both colleges, they are over-enrolled in students and the employers are
lined up with the paid internships. So I think they are ready to help.
Mr. JOHNSON I was going to ask you a question about offering TAP classes to all
veterans, you know, on a voluntary basis. Having come from the military
myself, you know, we learned to follow instructions on day one. But when you
make anything voluntary, you are basically asking them not to show up.
was never voluntary to run the mile and a half. It was never voluntary to do
the required number of situps and pushups. For their own benefit and the
benefits of their families, I do not think we should make it voluntary for our
active-duty servicemembers to go to the TAP Program because I think it is such
tremendous benefit to them coming out.
might have other questions. Thanks for giving me additional time, Mr.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Thank you.
Ms. SANCHEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
am going to start with Mr. Daywalt. You offered many suggestions in your
written testimony to improve the national guard unemployment rate. And I want
to sort of focus in in this large group of national guardsmen who are a group
in need of trying to find ways to help them overcome some of these hurdles to
want to focus on a subset of that group which is actually female veterans
because I think they may experience some unique possibilities of overcoming
additional obstacles other than the fact that they are simply national guard,
serving in the national guard.
I want to talk specifically about the fact that this age group tends to be a
group that may include mothers or future mothers. And sometimes that in and of itself is
a barrier to employment for women.
you think it is reasonable to suggest that a young female national guard member
may face even greater obstacles when attempting to find a job because of those
two factors combined?
Mr. DAYWALT On a case-by-case basis, yes, they probably have more things that
they have to face. To what Ms. DeRocco was saying about a platform, a system
that matches people up, that already exists out there. You have got over 20
military employment sites, job boards, VetJobs. You have got military hire and
you have got corporate gray and a whole bunch of others that already do that.
It is in the civilian sector.
there are job boards out there just for women. And the civilian sector, the
private sector identifies the need pretty fast and they can move quick. And
many of us identified the fact that the people are not getting help when they
needed it when they came out. Many have said that TAP is broken and I will let
others make that decision. But that is VetJobs is there.
to the women, especially if it is a single mother, you know, maybe it is
because I am an old fart, but I just cannot imagine being a single mother,
being in the guard, trying to get a job, and raising a child or two or three
children all at the same time. I mean, my hat goes off to them. But--
Ms. SANCHEZ. Well, I have to tell you I am the mother of a two and a half year
old and I travel bi-coastally with my son to do this job which is more than a,
you know, 40 hour a week job. And I have a respect for single mothers who do
that. I think that they are superwomen--
Mr. DAYWALT Oh, yes, they are.
Ms. SANCHEZ. --in every sense of the word. But what I am trying to focus in on,
and this is something that kind of gets lost in the shuffle, you talked about
the higher unemployment rate for national guard members than the general
unemployment rate in many of these states.
I am wondering if there has been an effort to try to extrapolate what that rate
might be based on gender because I suspect, and this is just a suspicion on my
part, that for young female national guard members, that unemployment rate is
probably even higher than it is for the general guard member population.
Mr. DAYWALT About two weeks ago, I remember seeing a press article that
addressed that and it did say, and I am sure they got the information from BLS,
that female veterans have a higher unemployment than male veterans.
Ms. SANCHEZ. Right. And I suspect because they face these additional
the reason why I mention that is in my home State of California, there was a bill that passed in 2004 which would essentially create a voucher
system by which child care vouchers would be available to veterans seeking
employment and it would be a way to try to help ease the cost of child care
and, you know, provide that.
we are, you know, budgetly challenged in California, so the funding has not
necessarily been there. But, thinking of these practical solutions,
and it seems to me that that type of concept of helping with some of those
barriers to employment such as reliable and affordable child
care, might be something that we could do to reduce that.
Mr. DAYWALT When I get on the phone and counsel with a single mother, I
generally try to point them to more forward thinking companies that are labeled
as an employer of choice. And that is something that the Herman Group puts
thing that is in there is--and it is a fact that so many companies now do offer
child care on the premises in order to bring qualified employees. And that is
a smart employer that does that and we try to steer them towards some of the
companies that do stuff like that.
trouble is that it is not always apparent who offers that and who does not.
And that is where VetJobs and some of the other military sites become the
intermediary because we know these companies.
someone comes to me and I would say, you know, you would really do well at
UPS. You know, they need secretaries or they need this or they need a
manager. And, by the way, they have child care on the premises. A lot of the
hospitals, a lot of health care have gone to that. It is the only way they can
draw nurses and the healthcare people that they need. They start offering
child care and that is an ideal spot. But they do not always know that that is
Ms. SANCHEZ. Right.
Mr. DAYWALT So that is where we come in and try to--
Ms. SANCHEZ. And my suspicion would be that employers who would offer that
generally are of a certain size and many small businesses are excluded from that
because it is very
Mr. DAYWALT Very difficult for companies under 150, oh, yeah, very difficult.
Ms. SANCHEZ. --expensive. If the chairman will indulge me for just one last
DeRocco, you mentioned continuing efforts to partner with community colleges to
help get the skills that veterans need in order to go into the skilled
district that I represent is very working class, urban. And one of the things
is they would like to get those skills, but the cost is a barrier for them.
And so I am intrigued when you talked about the paid internships and I am sort
of envisioning something where employers who have a need for skilled
employees who have the soft skills of reliability and folks that will do what they are told.
it crazy to think that maybe there might be some kind of way to structure
something that is almost like an apprenticeship system where employers would
sort of finance the acquiring of those skills and they would be working in the
meantime while they are trying to complete those programs?
Mr. DEROCCO Very insightful. A couple of points. One, we actually are
beginning with Laney College in the Bay area of California with the integration
of these educational pathways that are competency-based pathways to jobs in
manufacturing because of the high concentration of small machining companies in
that area which will offer extraordinary jobs.
spend about $18 billion a year in this country on workforce investment,
workforce development, another $800 billion in public education. What we are
doing is actually just directing a very small percentage of those funds to
building the educational pathways in high school and community colleges that
result in credentials that have value in the workplace and labor market.
to date, there has never been a question about money available to have the
educational pathways in place. All federal aid programs cover any cost associated
with the individual credentials.
in every instance, employers are driving the educational reform by being full
partners as faculty, curriculum development advisors, paid internships,
mentors, and even the equipment and requirements for the educational pathway to
yes, we are highly encouraging much stronger business-education partnerships.
Actually, it is the only way we are going to change education in this country.
Ms. SANCHEZ. Great. Thank you.
I thank the chairman.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Mr. Bilirakis.
Mr. BILIRAKIS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate it. Thanks for calling
this very important hearing. Thanks for making this issue of hiring veterans a
top priority of this committee. Appreciate it very much.
DeRocco, I have a couple questions. What type of relationship do nonmembers
typically have with the local workforce investment boards and DVOP and LVERs in
particular whose entire job is to match local veterans with openings in your
Mr. DEROCCO I am actually really sorry to say having been inside government and
responsible for the WIA system that most employers have not seen the value
proposition of engaging with the workforce investment system. It has not
been focused on skills and jobs on demand. It has not engaged active employers in
the way I think it was envisioned in the original legislation.
is now up for reauthorization. Perhaps that can be fixed. And as a result,
we could fix their service delivery system which is those one-stop career centers
around the country, where the DVOPs and LVERs actually sit. The system is just
not something that most employers engage in.
have a disconnect between the employing part of our market and the workforce
development part of the market in communities all across this country.
Mr. BILIRAKIS. We have to work on fixing that. I look forward to working with
you on that.
you had any conversations with Veterans’ Employment and Training Services about
having them advertise the U.S. manufacturing pipeline?
Mr. DEROCCO Not to date. We will, however. In Minneapolis which is one of our
test sites for the Accelerated Fast Track Program to credentials, we have
engaged the workforce system there as a strong partner. We wanted to see if
also tested U.S. Manufacturing Pipeline in credentialing with the national
career readiness certificate at Fort Bragg. And the community college, the
workforce system, and the Fort Bragg command all were helpful.
this is our process, unfortunately, of taking it on local area by local area,
command by command to get the strong partnership in place. If we could get
some momentum behind that nationally, it would go much more quickly.
I do know the federal agencies responsible, but I believe we are getting faster
action working on the ground right now.
Mr. BILIRAKIS. A third question and this will be my final question until the
next round, but have you been participating in these jobs fairs? I am having
one partnering with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce this month in my district.
Mr. DEROCCO We are. We actually alert our manufacturers about every job fair
that we are made aware of so that they have the opportunity to participate. We
had a lot at the recent Iowa job fair, I know, because I got reports back of
Mr. BILIRAKIS. Have they been successful with the manufacturers hiring?
Mr. DEROCCO Yeah. Job fairs like job boards, there are lots and lots and lots
of them. So I think it is an individual decision on the part of the
manufacturer, the extent to which that is how they are going to recruit and
actually think we found a faster track that will change their recruitment and
hiring strategies because they can do it directly aligned to their HR database
and have a single source to go to to find our returning reserve, guard, and
Mr. BILIRAKIS. Thank you very much. I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Okay. Thank you.
just have a couple of quick follow-up questions. Ms. DeRocco, how many members
do you have in your association and do any of them offer any TAP programs of
any sort on their own?
Mr. DEROCCO There are about 12,000 members of the National Association of
Manufacturers. The institute serves both NAM members and all manufacturers in
the U.S. There are 286,000 manufacturing enterprises representing 12 million
yes, many members like GE, I would cite, have really extraordinary internal
programs to recruit and train former military. GE focuses particularly in the officer corps,
recruiting officers for a lifetime career if they so choose in the many
divisions of the global giant GE.
it is, as I think Congresswoman Sanchez mentioned, this is easier for large
companies to have that kind of internal HR strategies that are directly filling
gaps in employment and training for the military. For the large number of our
members and for manufacturers, these are small to mid cap companies. And we
felt strongly that we needed a national HR strategy, like the U.S. Manufacturing
Pipeline and the most critical part
of that to get on the ground immediately was targeted recruitment of our
Mr. STUTZMAN. And could you describe the 600,000 jobs roughly, can you describe
what kind of jobs are those and what type of training, education levels would
be needed for those jobs? I know it is a broad question.
Mr. DEROCCO The vast majority of those jobs are in what we call skilled
production. And the high demand jobs in skilled production are primarily in
precision machining, metal forming, high-end welding or materials joining as it
is now called, and integrated systems technology that drives production
systems. So they are high skilled and using high-end technology in large
Mr. STUTZMAN. So most of those jobs would need more than just a high school
Mr. DEROCCO Absolutely. Over three-quarters of jobs in manufacturing and,
quite frankly, according to BLS, this translates across the economy to 75
percent of the jobs in the 21st century economy require some post
secondary education, not necessarily a four-year degree, which is why we have
channeled our efforts to the two-year community college programs.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Okay. Thank you.
any other Members have any other questions?
Mr. BRALEY Well, Mr. Chairman, I just want to put a human face on the
superwomen that my friend from California was talking about.
did a higher education forum at the University of Northern Iowa and one of our
witnesses was this young woman who was a member of the Iowa National Guard.
She is attending Hawkeye Community College to get her two-year AA degree. She
plans to go on to the University of Iowa to get her medical degree and become a
these are the faces of the people we are talking about today.
Mr. DEROCCO So if we could convince her to go into Hawkeye’s manufacturing
programs, she could then get her engineering degree because these are pathways
to engineering programs. But congratulations. We love those faces.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Mr. Johnson.
Mr. JOHNSON I do have one follow-on question. You know, I made the transition
from active duty then as a small business owner myself and then into corporate
America as an executive. And a global manufacturing firm took a chance on me
and they confessed later that they did take a chance because there was some
trepidation by the executive leadership team.
I mean, we are talking here about skills, manufacturing skills, but there are,
you know, military officers that come off of active duty. They need a place to
go to work also.
Mr. DEROCCO Absolutely.
Mr. JOHNSON And I think there is a perception in corporate America that retired
military officers step out with a discipline, a mission focus, and it can be
intimidating to some people the ability to produce results, to make decisions,
to want to see things get accomplished.
do we encourage the manufacturing community to embrace that kind of "let’s get
the ball rolling" and "let’s do something and not talk about something forever?"
You know what I am saying? Am I clear?
Mr. DEROCCO Yes. In several regards, let me say I think we are the only
industry sector which has actually been doing. We have boots on the ground in
36 states building educational programs for these jobs and we are answering
Secondly, I am just so surprised to hear what you
said because the attributes you articulated are exactly what I hear
manufacturing executives say are the number one attributes of the employees they
seek and that, in this global economy, it is exactly those capabilities that are
going to be their comparative and
competitive advantage to continue to win.
manufacturers have been under siege as globalization has had its impacts
broadly. They have leaned their business. They have infused technology. They
have met every challenge. And today their challenge is the leadership with
exactly those attributes. I think it is a match made in heaven.
Mr. JOHNSON Yes. Well, I do, too. And let me be clear. I did not mean the
CEOs and the boards. But if you are sitting on the executive team--
Mr. DEROCCO Uh-huh.
Mr. JOHNSON --and you hire a new executive team member and all of a sudden, you
see him screaming by you because he is getting things done, that can create a
friction within a corporation that takes a while to settle down because our
retired veterans, they are about results and they are committed. They are
dedicated. They are there on time. They stay late. They have the people
skills and the leadership skills.
is no training ground in the world--
Mr. DEROCCO That is better.
Mr. JOHNSON --like our military for producing those kinds of skill sets. And
some people are intimidated by that.
Mr. DEROCCO Let’s bring it on. I think that is our competitive advantage.
Mr. JOHNSON I am with you.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Any further questions?
Mr. STUTZMAN. Mr. Daywalt and Ms. DeRocco, thank you very much for your
testimony, for what you do as well, and I look forward to working with you in
the future. So you are dismissed.
at this time, I want to welcome to the table our second panel. And this panel
is composed of Adjutant General of the Tennessee National Guard, Major General
Terry Haston; the Adjutant General of the Iowa National Guard, Major General
Timothy Orr; the Assistant Adjutant General of the Indiana National Guard,
Brigadier General Margaret Washburn; and also we have Brigadier General
Marianne Watson from the National Guard Bureau; Mr. Dick Rue from the Iowa
Committee of the Employer Support of Guard and Reserve; and, finally, Mr.
Ronald Young, the director of the Family and Employer Program and Policy for
the U.S. Department of Defense.
we have a large panel here. I want to thank each of you for being here and
especially to those from out of state, Tennessee, Indiana especially, and also
Iowa. We want to welcome each of you and especially as you are on the front
line of this particular issue. And I look forward to your testimony.
we will recognize you for five minutes. So let’s begin with General Haston.
Haston or Haston?
General HASTON Haston.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Haston. All right. I apologize.
General HASTON That is okay, sir.
OF TERRY M. HASTON, ADJUTANT GENERAL, TENNESSEE NATIONAL GUARD; TIMOTHY E. ORR,
ADJUTANT GENERAL, IOWA NATIONAL GUARD; MARGARET WASHBURN, ASSISTANT ADJUTANT
GENERAL, INDIANA NATIONAL GUARD; MARIANNE WATSON, DIRECTOR, MANPOWER AND
PERSONNEL, NATIONAL GUARD BUREAU; RICHARD A. RUE, STATE CHAIR, IOWA EMPLOYER
SUPPORT OF GUARD AND RESERVE; RONALD G. YOUNG, DIRECTOR, FAMILY AND EMPLOYER
PROGRAM AND POLICY, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
General HASTON Chairman Stutzman, Ranking Member Braley, and distinguished Members
of the subcommittee, I am honored to appear before you today on behalf of the
more than 14,000 men and women serving in the Tennessee Army and Air National
I would like to begin by expressing my sincere appreciation for the outstanding
support of this subcommittee.
the tragic attacks on our homeland on September the 11th, 2001, more
than 27,000 brave Tennessee national guard soldiers and airmen have deployed
both at home and abroad protecting the freedoms that we all enjoy.
men and women of the volunteer state have answered the call of this Nation
without hesitation or reservation. Most return home after defending this great
Nation and resume their civilian lifestyle left, renewing relationships with
families and friends, and returning to their civilian workplace, but all too
often they may return to an uncertain future.
issue of soldiers and airmen facing unemployment in the civilian sector is
paramount in our concerns for the well-being of our troops.
Tennessee, about 20 to 25 percent of our national guard strength is either
unemployed or underemployed with about 3.5 percent of those identified as
full-time students. This compares to an 8.7 percent unemployment rate for
Tennessee as a whole.
owe these volunteers our very best efforts in helping them gain employment.
But to effectively combat this problem, we have to know the enemy. We have to
look beyond the reported numbers that may, in fact, demonstrate a false
understand the magnitude of the problem, we have to determine an accurate
number of guard members who are actively seeking employment. We also have to
determine if their deployment caused them to be unemployed or were they
unemployed before deploying.
Tennessee, we continually encourage the unit commanders and leadership to
identify these individuals to assist in how we can help them. Simply, we must
know what the true objectives are before we can attack it.
Tennessee, we are striving to identify those true objectives. In conjunction
with our Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve, we are conducting
employment assistance workshops about once each month. The three-day event
provides one-on-one career counseling addressing issues such as writing an
effective resume, guidance, and preparing for and how to conduct an interview.
the final day, employers such as FedEx, Verizon Wireless, Hospital Corporations
of America, Dollar General, AT&T, and a multitude of other employers are on
hand to interview the prospective employees.
through this process the employers will find and hire quality guard members
that brings a great deal to the table offering that employer a motivated,
disciplined, drug-free asset with the training and potential for leadership in
have sponsored or supported 18 job fairs in the past 17 months with 415
participants. Of those participants, 111 have responded to inquiries and 37
percent of the respondents have found employment.
program along with your yellow ribbon initiatives, unemployment counseling, and
soldier out-processing upon their return, and our outstanding relationships
with the Tennessee Department of Labor are all positive steps in reducing the
number of unemployed guard members in Tennessee.
have often heard it said that our soldiers and airmen of our national guard are
the best America has to offer. These men and women are willing to put their
lives on hold without hesitation, with reservation, walk away from family,
community, and their civilian occupation to defend and protect this great
Nation. We owe them no less than our very best.
thank you for allowing me to address the subcommittee today and I look forward
to your questions.
statement of Terry M. Haston appears in the Appendix.]
Mr. STUTZMAN. Thank you.
General WASHBURN. Chairman Stutzman and honorable Members of the subcommittee, on
behalf of Major General R. Martin Umbarger, the adjutant general of Indiana, I
am honored to appear before you today to represent our 14,314 Army and Air
National Guard servicemembers.
would like to also begin by expressing my sincere appreciation to the
subcommittee for its tremendous support over the past several years and for
your concern with the well-being of the outstanding men and women serving in
our Nation’s national guard.
faces the challenge of unemployment and underemployment for our guardsmen.
Indiana has deployed over 17,693 servicemembers since 9/11.
on the Department of Defense civilian employment information database, it is
estimated that nationally 20 percent of returning national guard soldiers and
airmen are unemployed.
current rate of unemployed Indiana national guard members is roughly 23 percent
which is over twice the current state rate of nine percent unemployment. Thus,
we estimate that roughly 3,300 Indiana guardsmen and women are unemployed.
we conduct more detailed analysis, we find these numbers slightly skewed by the
number of servicemembers just completing high school or currently enrolled in
in Indiana, we also choose to track and assist unemployed spouses. When
identified, believing that getting at least one of the family members employed
significantly improves overall servicemember household well-being and
2009, Major General Umbarger created the Indiana National Guard Employment
Coordination Program. The objectives of this program are to identify, track,
and reduce the unemployment within the Indiana national guard.
objectives are accomplished by working directly with each unemployed
servicemember to increase their marketability, collaborate with Indiana
employers for the hiring of our members, and quality assurance checks with
these businesses on the servicemembers they have already hired.
hands-on assistance includes resume writing, active job search training,
interview skills, and job preparedness training. Developing a servicemember’s
marketability includes education, skills training, vocational rehabilitation,
and even near-term financial assistance for such things as reliable
transportation to their new employment.
Employment Coordination Program works individually with each identified
servicemember throughout all phases of the deployment cycle. We actually
define a servicemember’s needs while the servicemember is still in theater and
are present at the demobilization station when the servicemember returns so
that we may initiate actions required to improve their marketability or
have now placed over 1,000 servicemembers and spouses in jobs. Some of these
jobs are active-duty operational support, temporary positions, and a
combination of education with part-time employment.
Employment Coordination Program has also assisted in completion of 2,443
resumes, has 484 job openings currently posted, and submitted 2,050 job
initiative is the Indiana national guard business partnership. We currently
have over 125 businesses involved in this partnership which includes a
reciprocal support process designed to provide both the employer and the
employee with resources and assets to complete successful hiring and sustained
job performance. We have placed 172 servicemembers in jobs with these 125
initiative is Major General Umbarger’s executive business meetings. These
monthly meetings give key business and community leaders a greater
understanding of the national guard experience and what our servicemembers have
to offer to the state workforce. These leaders are encouraged to consider a
veteran for any open position, especially those returning from deployment and
those negatively impacted due to economic challenges in their local
adjutant general has created a state level staff position, the J9 civil
military affairs directorate. This directorate brings all support programs
including family programs, yellow ribbon reintegration, Employer Support of the
Guard and Reserve, transition assistance advisors, and the Employment
Coordination Program under one supervisor.
affords these programs a level of unit of effort that did not exist when they
were working independently. The J9 directorate also serves as the community
outreach platform creating new relationships with community resources and
developing increased servicemember and family access to these resources.
Indiana national guard also participates in all Employer Support of the Guard
and Reserve activities, the Job Connection Education Program, job fairs, town
hall meetings, network and social media programs.
and manning are needed to allow these programs to maintain their success. We
believe long-term job placement is potentially greater with our holistic
approach to the employment process.
there is a greater value to the national guard workforce by including
education, skills training, and improved marketability over just submitting a
national guardsmen have proven themselves to be ready, reliable, and accessible
here at home and worldwide. Many of them have answered the call to duty and
spent multiple deployments away from their families and their employers.
Indiana national guard is working hard to ensure these heroes return to a
lifestyle and family wellness deserving of the sacrifices they have made. The
strength of the Indiana national guard rests in it citizen soldiers and
airmen. The strength of these citizen soldiers and airmen rests in their employment
and productivity to their communities.
employers are military and veteran friendly and many desire to hire our
talented, experienced, and reliable servicemembers. We need to help make that
again, I thank you for recognizing this issue and holding this hearing. I look
forward to respond to your questions.
statement of Margaret Washburn appears in the Appendix.]
Mr. STUTZMAN. Thank you very much.
General WATSON. Chairman Stutzman, Ranking Member Braley, distinguished
Members of the subcommittee, I am honored to appear before you today on behalf
of the Chief National Guard Bureau, General Craig McKinley to represent our
465,000 Army and Air National Guard servicemembers.
would like to begin by expressing my sincere appreciation to the subcommittee
for its tremendous support and your concern with the well-being of our
outstanding men and women.
National Guardsmen have proven themselves to be ready, reliable, and accessible
here at home and overseas. Many of them have had multiple deployments away
from families and employers.
National Guard Bureau is working hard to offer programs and initiatives that
will improve our unemployment rates, but there is more work to be done.
must address lowering the rate of unemployment with National Guard members.
The rate of employed veterans remains much higher than the national nonveteran
average. We estimate approximately 20 percent of returning National Guard
Soldiers and Airmen are unemployed.
Unfortunately, we are unable to accurately identify
guardsmen who are underemployed, unemployed, or are transitioning requiring
employment and/or educational assistance. Additional fidelity is needed to validate the employment status of
a pilot, the Army National Guard directorate has placed a representative at
Fort Hood, Fort Bliss, and Camp Shelby to administer a handwritten employment
and outreach questionnaire. The questionnaire requests employment status,
education, and experience information. Soldiers are provided information on
education, training, and employment options based on their responses. This is
a great initiative, but the process needs to be automated in order to provide
all stakeholders accurate and accessible information.
as early as 2004, the National Guard Bureau funded a unique resource at each
Joint Force Headquarters titled program support specialist. This individual
serves as the adjutant general’s subject matter expert regarding local issues
with employers of air and army national guard members.
initially focused on specific employer support issues and complaint resolution,
the duties of the program support specialist expanded to include employment
addition to coordinating employment opportunity events, program support
specialists refer unemployed guardsmen by connecting them with local resources,
the Veterans Affairs, and the Department of Labor.
year, program support specialists participated in over 1,000 yellow ribbon
reintegration events nationwide supporting units returning from deployment by
identifying employment opportunities and providing other requested assistance.
program support specialists also work closely with our transition assistance
advisors in the state joint force headquarters to ensure our Guard members are
registered with the Veterans Affairs and can access their VA benefits to
include vocational and job training with the Department of Labor. Both of
these programs are essential to developing and establishing a community-based
multiple brigade deployments over the past several years, the National Guard
implemented a pilot program in Texas called the Job Connection Education
Program which specializes in one-on-one education, training, job search
services that enhance National Guard members’ abilities to obtain and retain
strength of the JCEP is individual case management. Servicemembers and spouses
complete an on-line registration process and participate in a one-on-one
orientation and assessment with their case manager who assists them with
identifying fields of interest and resume development. This assistance takes
the form of job skills training, workshops, and job search support that exposes
them to jobs offered by over 480 established business partners.
date, the Texas National Guard has placed over 900 Soldier and family members
in full-time jobs. Case management is key to connecting servicemembers to
program, the Guard Apprenticeship Program Initiative, otherwise known as GAPI,
is a partnership with the Department of Labor and the Department of Veterans
Affairs that continues to build relationships with employers and colleges to
facilitate civilian apprenticeship and employment opportunities for National
key to GAPI are the 107 army military occupational specialties that translate
directly to civilian occupational qualification requirements. Maryland is a
pilot state where Guardsmen have been hired in the Independent Electrical
Contractors Chesapeake Apprenticeship Program earning wages starting at $18.00
per hour with full medical benefits.
the end of their five-year commitment, they will earn a higher salary than
their peers as well as earning their national certification as journeymen
electricians. Maryland currently has six servicemembers participating in this
program, so this program is just getting started.
very successful program that is being used in the State of Georgia is Drive the
Guard. This program is a collective effort with the Commercial Driver Training
Foundation which links guardsmen with training and certification programs in
completed the Guardsman has a career in the truck driving industry. Applicants
earn their commercial driver’s license through a commercial driver’s training
federation certified school. Financing is arranged and a pre-hire letter is
negotiated with a partnering trucking company before the training begins.
completion of the training, the Soldier has a job in the trucking industry with
a salary of around 40K per year.
order to identify servicemembers requiring employment assistance, the National
Guard recommends modifying the DD-214. Recommendations include requiring a
veteran to decline or opt out by checking a box if they do not desire their
information to be shared with the Department of Labor and/or Department of
we ask that the DD-214 require a personal e-mail address and cell phone number
for a more viable method to contact the veteran and enhance the ability of
authorized providers to reach out and provide services.
informational enhancements will facilitate transition and support outreach to
veterans by the Department of Labor and the Department of Veterans Affairs.
This is another method to identifying and contact veterans requiring employment
owe our national guard sustainable long-term employment solutions. Guardsmen
have leadership experience, are mission focused, team players, and have the
necessary skills and training employers are looking for. These attributes make
them outstanding employees.
order for our Guardsmen to reach their full employment potential, we strongly
recommend a triangular approach with a formalized relationship established
between the National Guard Bureau, the Department of Labor, and the Veterans
triad would coordinate the necessary case managers at the local level to ensure
necessary assistance for national guardsmen in the areas of education benefits,
training opportunities, and employment.
three agencies have resources in the states. However, their efforts must be
synchronized at the local level.
transitioning and currently unemployed servicemembers and case management is
critical to our national goals and objectives.
again and I look forward to your questions.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Thank you.
General ORR. Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member Braley, distinguished Members of the subcommittee, it is a great privilege to
be here today to represent the 9,400 soldiers and airmen of the Iowa national
guard in this important discussion.
you for the opportunity to testify on this topic and to provide you with a
perspective on the State of Iowa’s initiatives to address this important
let me begin by saying that Iowa is unique in many ways. Thankfully our state
and region currently have lower unemployment rates than those seen in other
parts of the country. The employers in our state are military and veteran friendly
and we enjoy incredible support from our business and communities.
level of cooperation between our employment and education partners includes the
Employer Support for the Guard and Reserve, the Iowa workforce development, Job
Connections Education Program, the Iowa Department of Labor, community colleges
or universities, and the Society of Human Resource Managers is outstanding.
addition, Governor Branstad has provided key leadership to drive employment
opportunities for our national guard members.
we remain focused on those with unemployment challenges, we are fortunate to
have seen tremendous improvements in our overall unemployment numbers from
those who have returned from the state’s largest deployment since World War II.
currently estimate based on data collected during our deployment out-processing
and our reintegration events that the unemployment rate of our returning
warriors fell from a high of 25 percent when they returned in August of 2011 to
now a current rate of just under 10 percent.
we still have a lot of work to do, the unemployment rate in Iowa is at about
5.8. We are happy to see that we are making a remarkable improvement among our
truly believe the success that we have seen in this area is a result of the
steps that we took long before the 2,800 members of our brigade combat team
deployed to Afghanistan.
a series of lunch and learns engagements, town hall meetings, pre-deployment
meetings, and briefings and other public engagements, we initiated an
information awareness campaign to build support and to deepen the understanding
between the servicemembers and employers regarding the Uniformed Services
Employment and Reemployment Act or USERRA.
conjunction with ESGR, we initiated a series of employer boss lists bringing
our employers to our annual training sites and our post deployment training
locations to witness firsthand the importance and the complex work that their
citizen soldiers were doing in preparation to deploy overseas.
invited Dick Rue, our state ESGR chair, to stand with me to help answer
questions about the rights and responsibilities of both the employers and the
citizen soldiers during our press conferences when we announced the second
Iowa, we know that employers also sacrifice with their citizen soldiers when
they deploy and we work very hard to acknowledge this through our ESGR
engagements and our employer recognition events.
up our toolbox, we started to look at ESGR, the National Guard Bureau, and
other state and federal employment programs designed to assist our returning
warriors. One of the most important steps that we took was to nest our
employment and our education counselors in order to emphasize these areas during
the demobilization process.
together, they counseled returning warriors on employment and education
programs and benefits available to assist with the transition from their
to the integration, an additional 900 of our returning warriors indicated their
intent to enroll in school and higher education than prior to deploying.
screen members as they out-process and we attended all the yellow ribbon
reintegration events to identify those that were still struggling with
employment issues and to link them up with assistance.
with our employment partners, we developed a one-day course designed to assist
our unemployed or underemployed warriors. We help them write resumes, cover
letters that transition their military experience into meaningful skills.
our partnership with the Iowa workforce development, we placed computer kiosks
in our armories to assist our warriors with finding and applying for job
October, we supported with other state and federal agencies a veterans’ job
fair and began posting job openings targeting veterans on Websites like the
national guard’s Jobs Connection Education Program and employer partnership.
we still have a lot to do to ensure employment opportunities for all of our
returning warriors, we are making significant progress. We will continue to
work to enhance our tool kit, to help our warriors like working with our state
legislature to assist with legislation that better aligns the state licensure
requirements with the military specialty skills and working with our employment
and private sector partners to continue to identify job opportunities for our
Iowa national guard soldiers and airmen continue to be mission focused and
warrior ready. Over 15,000 Iowa national guard members have served and
sacrificed in support of the ongoing contingency operations here at home and
across the world, many on multiple occasions.
along with their families and employers have borne a heavy burden to help
ensure our Nation’s safety and security. They did so willingly and ask little
in return. Working together at every level, we have a responsibility to assist
those struggling with unemployment issues related to their military service.
greatly appreciate the subcommittee’s work on this issue and I look forward to
your questions on our efforts to help our returning warriors. Thank you.
[The statement of Timothy E. Orr appears in the
Mr. STUTZMAN. Thank you.
Rue, you are recognized for five minutes.
Mr. RUE. Chairman Stutzman, Ranking Member Braley, and Members of the
subcommittee, it is a privilege to be here today to represent the Iowa ESGR
team in this important discussion to maximize employment opportunities for
members of the guard and reserve.
you for the opportunity to testify on this topic and provide the Iowa ESGR
perspective and initiatives to address this important issue.
primary mission of Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve, ESGR, is to
promote a culture in which all American employers support and value the
military service of their employees.
accomplish this through advocating relevant initiatives, recognizing
outstanding support, increasing awareness of the law with our employers and our
military outreach programs and resolving conflicts through mediation when
our advocate role, in fiscal year 2011, ESGR educated, provided consultation
to, and assisted with reemployment challenges for employers, national guard
members, and reservists.
Employment Initiative Program, EIP, was added to our mission in the fall of
2010 and is designed to facilitate employment opportunities for unemployed and
underemployed servicemembers and their spouses.
program is an outgrowth of our ESGR employer and military outreach programs and
is complementary to the current economic realities of our state and is aligned
with our President’s new veterans’ employment initiative.
essence of my written testimony is that in Iowa, we feel we have made positive
advancements towards successfully lowering the rate of unemployment of our
national guard. This has been accomplished by the effective planning to ensure
that the multiple resources in existence to support the national guard and
employment of national guard and reserve members have worked in harmony towards
this common purpose.
is easy for varying organizations to work independently and thus diminish their
opportunity for success in achieving this important common goal.
a result of our national guard leadership, Major General Orr and his command
staff from the earliest public notification of pending deployment, all related
resource partners worked together to ensure that planning, execution, and
follow-up was in place to support the needs of the second brigade combat team
recently deployed to Afghanistan.
written testimony outlines in more detail the support, resources, and access
that the members of the Iowa ESGR volunteer team received during
pre-mobilization, during deployment, and during post mobilization up to and
including the present.
key element of our ability to achieve success has been the communication and
cooperation between and among the multiple resource partners, the Iowa national
guard, Iowa ESGR, and our Iowa employers, and our support organizations, Iowa
workforce development, DoL VETS, and the Job Connection Education Program,
per my written testimony, this cooperation allowed for hands-on personal
engagement by the Iowa ESGR team with soldiers for both education and support
enhanced communications and greater efficiencies across all agencies yield our
Employer Assistance Training Program targeting approximately 400
self-identified unemployed servicemembers from the second brigade combat team
upon their return.
regarding upcoming employment events is regularly emailed to these unemployed
individuals, the command and staff of the Iowa national guard and reserve
units, all guard and reserve members returning from deployment, and our Iowa
ESGR military outreach volunteers.
the support received by all the organizations I just mentioned was effectively
channeled towards Iowa employers through the pre, during, and post mobilization
time frames via multiple events and touch points throughout the state.
with the Employment Initiative Program, our associated partnerships within the
state and the continued support of the Iowa national guard, Iowa ESGR is well
prepared to continue our history of assisting servicemembers and employers to
connect more effectively than ever before.
[The statement of Richard A. Rue appears in the
Mr. STUTZMAN. Thank you.
finally, Mr. Young, you are recognized.
Mr. YOUNG. Chairman Stutzman, Ranking Member Braley, and distinguished Members
of the committee, thank you for this invite to appear before you today.
am the director for Family and Employer Programs and Policy within the Office
of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs. My responsibilities
include employer support of the guard and reserve, ESGR, the Yellow Ribbon
Reintegration Program, and individual and family support policy.
welcome the opportunity to provide you an overview of the support we are
providing to guard and reserve members.
let me speak to the latest statistics on the unemployment rate among the
latest status of forces survey shows an overall unemployment rate of 13
percent. In the junior enlisted ranks, E1 to E4, the rate is 23 percent.
take this high unemployment rate very seriously and later in my testimony, I
will speak to the specific actions we have taken to address this readiness
key focus in my office is Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve. Through
the network of over 4,800 ESGR volunteers across the country, ESGR helps to
educate servicemembers and employers about their duties and responsibilities
under USERRA, the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act.
we all know, the overwhelming vast majority of employers greatly support the
men and women in uniform and that applies equally to the reserve component.
For the past 40 years, ESGR has played a role in garnering that employer
support and we recognize employer support through a variety of awards programs.
past year, over 4,000 servicemembers nominated their employers for the
prestigious Secretary of Defense Employer Support Freedom Award. We also had
over 45,000 employers sign statements of support.
key aspect of ESGR is our tremendous Ombudsman Program with over 600 trained
USERRA experts across the country to answer questions, inquiries, and to help
resolve conflicts between employers and their employees or the servicemembers.
importantly today let me speak about the initiatives we have undertaken to
assist in reducing the high unemployment rate within the reserve components.
year ago, ESGR and the Yellow Ribbon Reintegration Program launched the
Employment Initiative Program, EIP. Our ESGR committees across the country
increased their activities to address the unique unemployment needs of the
reserve component. I say unique because over 300,000 reserve component members
are not veterans. They do not meet the statutory definition of having 180 days
on active duty and, therefore, they do not qualify for benefits under the
Veterans Affairs or DoL.
in March 2011, ESGR assisted the National Chamber of Commerce in their
launching of the mega hiring fairs across the country. I just received the
latest report from the Chamber. There have been 85 events to date in 42 states
connecting over 84,000 veterans, reserve component members, and military
spouses to employment opportunities with 4,300 different employers. The latest
information says that over 7,300 of those folks have gained employment.
2012, we will continue this effort and we will have 40 events focused entirely
on the reserve component community where there is high unemployment.
weeks ago, on December the 16th, we launched Hero to Hired, better
known as H2H. H2H is a comprehensive, multifaceted program targeted to support
reserve component servicemembers.
lessons learned from over this past year and successful experiences such as the
army reserves, employer partnership of the armed forces, and some of these
programs you have heard about with the national guard, H2H was developed to
address the employment assistance services and support gaps so that it could be
applied to all members of the reserve component. H2H contains all the tools a
job seeker needs to find a job.
the Yellow Ribbon Reintegration Program and ESGR are delivering meaningful
services to assist guard and reserve members in transition, reintegration, and
behalf of Yellow Ribbon, ESGR, and its 4,800 volunteers, I thank you for your
continuing support and I look forward to your questions.
statement of Ronald G. Young appears in the Appendix.]
Mr. STUTZMAN. Okay. Thank you to each of you for your testimony. And I will
begin the questions.
am just going to ask to any of you on the panel, is it time to make TAP
mandatory for all Guard and Reserve units? Any one of you can answer.
General WATSON. All right. It is my professional opinion that we should provide
some form of Transition Assistance Program, but what we are really looking for,
I believe, for the reserve components is a flexible option in which to get the
information to our servicemembers.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Any proposals and how do you do that?
General WATSON. Right now there are a number of proposals being discussed that would
extend the demobilization time that a servicemember stays at the demobilization
is my professional opinion that we focus on providing some information at the
demobilization site, not extending the individual’s time at that site.
having an on-line program, if you will, that correlates also with yellow ribbon
events so that it is all nested for a transition program and yellow ribbon
events to identify those individuals who truly need employment and education
Mr. STUTZMAN. How long are guard units in--do they stop over in Kuwait before
they come back to American soil? Do any of you know?
General ORR. Sir, it depends on where they come, what part of the theater. What we
have seen now that we--you know, I will speak from the brigade that just came
home from Iowa. They basically move from Afghanistan and it takes about 30
days for the brigade combat team, about 3,500 members, to get home. They move
from Afghanistan directly to what we call a demobilization station. In this
case, it was Fort McCoy, Wisconsin. And then we are there from--it can vary
from six to fourteen days.
the second brigade, we were able to get it accomplished through a coalition
effort. In an organized approach, we were able to get everyone through in six
days. That included a complete medical evaluation, their line of duties input
into the system, but it also, as I talked about in my testimony, it linked the
education and the ESGR. We had them at the demobe site.
what was instrumental there was that a soldier would come through and if they
had an employer issue, ESGR could engage that. If they needed employment, then
we captured that and we provided them with the assistance. If they were
thinking about education and were not sure, we then signed them up with our
education and we linked all the tuition assistance to include our state program
so that they were ready to roll into college before they ever got to home.
so that six to fourteen days varies on units, but there is normally not an
interim stop between their theater of location and the demobilization site.
Mr. STUTZMAN. So would it be fair to say that with every site that they are
transferring through, if they have six to fourteen days, are we taking
advantage of those six to fourteen days to use TAP?
General ORR. Is it within the window of time to do that, yes, sir. The challenge we
would have is I think if you tied it in with again some of the existing
programs, the education support that we get through our education offices, the
ESGR, and our other programs we talked about earlier that are engaged there,
that may be an additional task that could be picked up and actually applied to
those specific soldiers that are interested or have a need. The window of time
at the demobilization site would support, though, that task.
Mr. STUTZMAN. About how much time do the other programs take roughly? Did you
say ESGR and you mentioned one other?
General ORR. The education, it really depends on a soldier. If a soldier comes
through and says I have my employment, I have no issue with my employer, I have
a great employer, I have employment, you know, I am 40 years old, I am done
with school, then it is real easy. They move on and they go to their next
probably spend most of our time with that group that was talked about earlier,
the 18 to 24-year-olds. In many cases, a lot of these young soldiers have
deployed right out of high school to basic training and so they have not even
started college yet let alone employment.
that is the largest group of the population that we deployed and, yet, we do
have others that fall within those outside regions. And so it is really a by
the goal and intent is to ensure that everyone goes through there and that we
validate the information so that we know as a state what we have and how do we
apply those resources not only then but once they get home where it really
matters at the 30, 60, and 90-day yellow ribbon events.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Are those other programs mandatory?
General ORR. Yes, sir. The 30, 60, 90-days yellow ribbon integration is mandatory
and we interject our ESGR, our education at those each and every time.
if you come home and you do not want to say anything at the demobilization site
because you just want to get home, then at 30 days after you have had some time
to recoup from the deployment, we start to find those issues that may surface,
and that includes the healthcare issues that surface, and then we adjust
Mr. STUTZMAN. Okay. I would ask of the other two states, is it the same?
General HASTON Sir, in Tennessee, it is almost the same, but one of the things that
we do is we add a reverse SRP process at the end. And this is after the units
leave the mobilization station and they come back home.
General Orr pointed out, a lot of times, soldiers, they want to get out of the
mobilization, get that immediate reintegration with their families.
when they are back, we allow a brief integration and then we take the soldiers
and we sit down under a less pressured, stressful environment and that is where
we really apply the ESGR and the employment process and get a detailed look at
the soldiers and the airmen that are coming back.
again, as the 30, 60, 90-day yellow ribbon events, as we go through, we have
stations and have access to all the different programs that are available. We
see that gradually increase as we get closer to the 90 days. And the problem
Mr. STUTZMAN. General Washburn.
General WASHBURN. In Indiana, sir, our model is along the lines of what Tennessee
does, very similar.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Okay. All right. Thank you.
Mr. BRALEY Major General Haston, as I sit up here and look at you sitting with
Brigadier General Washburn and Major General Orr, I am struck by the irony of
the fact that in two months we will be observing the 150th
anniversary of a little thing that happened in your state at a place called
Pittsburgh Landing that was the first horrific battle of the Civil War.
a lot of Iowa farm boys and Indiana farm boys met a bunch of Tennessee farm
boys and there are a lot of them buried there. And they were national guard
and militia for the most part. And for a lot of them, they did not see their
homes for another two to three years. And they came back 150 years ago looking
for work. And here we are in 2012 talking about the same problem.
I got sworn in on January 4th of 2007 as a new Member of Congress.
During that period, the Iowa national guard, as Major General Orr has
testified, was in the middle of the longest single combat deployment of any
unit in Iraq.
I remember so well on Sunday night before Memorial Day that year 60 Minutes
devoted an entire program to something called fathers, sons, and brothers
tracing a two-year period of sacrifice by the Iowa national guard. And it was
an extraordinary thing for 60 Minutes to devote a whole hour to one subject and
it won an Emmy.
We forget what an extraordinary burden we have placed on our guard and reserve
units. I think if you look at the opening of that program, it really
captures why we are here today. This is how that program started.
has our country asked citizen soldiers to shoulder so much of the burden of
war. One-third of the troops fighting are national guard and reserve. More
than 400,000 soldiers called away from their civilian lives. And those
numbers, as we know, have grown dramatically since then.
one of the things I want to hear from all of you is what lessons have we learned in this last 150 years about how we address this problem.
you talked, Major General Orr, about boss lift. And I had the great pleasure
of going to Camp Shelby in Mississippi with one of those boss lifts and it was
extraordinary to see the reactions of some of those employers who the first
time were getting to experience what so many of their employees had spent so
much of their lives preparing to do.
I would be interested in your thoughts about how we have opportunities to shape
the perceptions of employers to bridge this gap of employability that we are
here today to talk about.
General ORR. Congressman Braley, I think you would give this great thought because
this is one of a couple challenges that we constantly deal with as adjutants
know, I would tell you I think the programs that we have, and I speak for my
State of Iowa, I think we have the programs that we need. It is the outreach
that we have to continue to do.
you know, I look back at the model. We learned over the last ten years of a
lot of experiences in this last deployment. I think looking at the combat
teams that had gone before us is what do we have to do in our state to ensure
that we do not experience the 32 percent that Vermont had, you know, and others
have had before us and knowing that the conditions are different in each state.
think what we have been able to do is the partnership is probably the greatest
lesson learned. It is to be able to sit the federal, the state, the local, the
community, the business, and the national guard down and address this early on
from the deployment perspective before we ever send a soldier and airman and
say what is it that we need to do as a state to collectively support these men and
granted, you know, there is still going to be gaps at the end of this, but what
we are finding is that business and industry--a great example is the principal
corporation, financial corporation in Iowa. They recently two weeks ago hosted
a program, Hire our Heroes Program on their own. An ESGR recipient of the
Department of the Army’s award secretary, Defense’s award felt like they needed
to give back. They have challenged now over 68 Chambers of Commerce in the
State of Iowa to go out and to hire veterans. They have put up $60,000 to put
a video out to ensure that the word has.
I think the lesson learned for us is it is continued communication,
collaboration, and that we have to take the existing programs that we have and
we need to make them work. And we have to connect that with our soldiers and
airmen every chance that we get.
Mr. BRALEY Thank you.
Rue, I want to talk to you from the employer’s perspective and the ESGR’s
perspective because I have worked with a lot of these employers in Iowa and
there are large corporations, some of the largest ones in our state, and there
are smaller companies and mid-sized companies. And they all have the same
dedication of purpose to the objective of finding work for veterans and keeping
I have also discovered, and this came out at some of the field hearings we had,
larger employers as a general rule have bigger human resources department, they
have greater abilities to try to take some of the translation of MOS language
into the civilian workforce, and put together programs they use in recruiting,
identification of potential employees.
I guess one of the concerns I have is what are we doing to help those smaller
employers, the single-family businesses who want to do the right thing but do
not know where to look or how to find a model that helps them address that
Mr. RUE. Well, I think the key factor is engagement and it is face-to-face
engagement. We have 167 volunteers in Iowa spread almost equally in 12 areas
throughout the state. And we engage all employers, small and large.
there is also an issue of working in harmony with all the other resources. You
referenced the boss lift. I can get the employers, but he can get the assets.
And we work together to ensure that those things take place.
I think you met many of the employers on that boss lift. And we had large and
small alike. We had members from cities, mayors, other elected officials that
attended. And they are also businesspeople.
the real key is engagement across the board to your question.
Mr. BRALEY I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Thank you.
Mr. BILIRAKIS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate it.
am concerned about the unemployment rates of our guardsmen and our reservists,
of course, and I have sponsored legislation to provide employers with tax
credits of up to $2,000 for their guardsmen or reservist employees called to
then we also with Mr. Walz co-sponsored legislation which requires TSA to
comply with the USERRA requirements.
question is for the panel, what steps do you take to inform your servicemembers
about their rights under USERRA, and I know, sir, you addressed that? If
anyone wants to address that issue, I would appreciate it very much.
General HASTON Sir, annually it is a requirement that we sit down and meet with our
servicemembers and we tell them every year during our required briefings what
their rights are.
ESGR team across the State of Tennessee goes down to the troop company battery
level and sits down with the members there and talks to them in terms that they
can understand and not in legal jargon so that servicemember knows what his
then when they have a problem, they come back and usually it is sorted out
before it ever gets to an ombudsman level.
have found that our ESGR has really transitioned from a team that goes out and
mediates to a team now that is going out and helping get our soldiers and our
Mr. BILIRAKIS. Anyone else?
General ORR. Sir, I think for the mobilization, what has helped us in the last four
to five years is the time of notification to deployment. You know, many cases
today, we have two years. And so that is important to employers to have a
notification so they can have a little bit of stability and make a plan.
we try to do in addition to what General Haston talked about is on the
deployment piece on the front end of this is we really engage specifically
through our ESGR team those soldiers and airmen that are getting ready to
deploy to identify potential issues and problems.
think that what is important at the same time on the back end of it is before
they come home, we bring the family members in and we do a reintegration with
the family. And we hit the family members with the same issues that we talk to
there is a coalition collaboration between family members and the soldier,
airmen when they get home from that piece when we talk about deployment and
then all the additional things we do on the back end.
Mr. BILIRAKIS. Anyone else?
Mr. BILIRAKIS. All right. Well, as a follow-up, and I think it is so important
to bring the families in, there is no question, I appreciate that, do you
believe the current level of restrictions placed on employers by USERRA are
making it harder for national guardsmen and reservists to get jobs? Any opinions
Mr. YOUNG. Sir, Ron Young. I do not quite honestly. I think USERRA protects
the rights for our servicemembers and it imposes responsibilities on employers
and educating both about their responsibilities.
what we find is that the vast majority of employers abide by the USERRA law and
the restrictions. And so I think USERRA quite honestly since 1994 and all the
amendments since has it just about right now.
Mr. RUE. Sir, I would add as well that I agree with Mr. Young’s comments. I am
a businessperson. In my duties as the state chairman of ESGR for Iowa, I meet
hundreds of businesspeople and I have not seen anyone concerned with the
restrictions. What I find is they are extremely proud to employ members of our
Mr. BILIRAKIS. All right. And, again, we really need your input on this. And I
know this question has been asked already, but I want to give you another shot
do you think should be done to make hiring conditions more favorable for our
guardsmen and our reservists?
General WASHBURN. One of the big things is to make sure that the employers
understand what they are really getting when they hire someone with a military
background or currently in the military.
is all about what value and what benefit is there for them and if we can help
them better understand that, and that is one of the keys that we do with our
employer partnership in Indiana in the Indiana national guard, is to have that
two-way dialogue and to make sure that through closing the loop after the fact,
after the hiring actually takes place, to make sure that that relationship is
still there and that bond is still strong.
Mr. BILIRAKIS. Anyone else?
Mr. YOUNG. Mr. Congressman, I would like to offer a couple points. I believe
right now with the different programs in place, I believe we have a pretty good
high-tech solution to linking employers with servicemembers that need jobs.
General Watson talked about, she talked about case management. One of the
areas that we are working on, and our 4,800 volunteers help with that, is
working the one-on-one piece.
servicemembers need help in taking their military skill sets and putting them
in civilian vernacular. And the ESGR committees and each of these leaders has
instituted programs within their particular states that is doing just that with
the employee assistance workshops, working with DoL VETS and those are working
then they are linking those servicemembers needing jobs with the Yellow Ribbon
Reintegration Program and quite honestly the numbers look good.
program down in Texas where over 900 have found jobs, it is that one-on-one
approach. And as I said when I was in uniform, every servicemember counts.
Every one of these servicemember counts and it takes some personal attention.
takes leaders who recognize that people in their squads do not have jobs. It
takes mid level NCOs that understand that they have a squad to take care of.
They took care of them when they were in theater. Now they need to take care
of them when they are back home.
it is becoming a peacetime army and getting engaged with those NCOs and those
leaders and watching over their servicemembers. A marine for life, that type
of a scenario.
thank you very much.
Mr. BILIRAKIS. Thank you very much.
yield back, Mr. Chairman. Appreciate it.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Okay. Thank you.
question would be directed towards Major General Haston or Brigadier General
Washburn and Major General Orr.
at this chart, we see that there is a direct correlation between unemployment,
weekly pay, and education. And I know that some states have already done some
work within their own states.
have you all done or do you have anything in your states that would provide any
additional education to our guardsmen?
General HASTON Sir, in Tennessee, we two years ago started the Tuition Assistance
Program and it is where legislation in Tennessee provided resources to the
military department to assist with in-state tuition.
army guard has through its program tuition assistance, but the air national
guard did not. And so these resources that I get that is allocated that I put
in my state budget and that I present to our state legislator gives us those
resources to do that. And that has been a huge success within our young
members of the Tennessee air national guard.
state budgets get smaller across the board, we have had to argue harder for
those resources. And the language in the law allows me as the adjutant general
and the commissioner of the military department to set the parameters of how
those resources are disbursed.
so what I have done is I have focused that purely on tuition for soldiers or
airmen to get their GED if they did not have that and to get a bachelor’s
degree or an associate degree. It is not provided for officers because by and
large they already have a degree to be an officer or to extended education such
as, you know, master’s or doctoral programs. And that has been a success thus
we have worked with some private universities, David Lipscomb College in
Nashville, for example, that has what works with soldiers to get their GI Bill
and then works with private corporations to get the additional resources to
continue their education, to make up the difference of that.
across Tennessee working with the board of regents and the Land Grant
University and working within our units and our education through our J9, we
have been pretty successful and having those opportunities available.
General ORR. Sir, in Iowa, we have a very similar program. We call it the NGEAP,
the National Guard Education Assistance Program.
think, you know, in addition to our mobilization soldiers that also qualify for
the Post-9/11 GI Bill and the other benefits, where these really become
significant is for the young men and women who have not deployed and our air
national guard members that are right along with us.
is no federal program for the air members, so, you know, I am proud to say in
Iowa, like many of the states that have this program, is we provide this
semester up to 90 percent of tuition assistance towards a state university,
community college equivalent that can be used. And I think it is a very
week, the first bill signed by the governor this week was an additional $1.4
million by the legislature to fund us to 90 percent. Because of the amount of
soldiers and airmen that came into college after the deployment, we were down
to a 50-percent tuition assistance. And through their efforts, the first bill
you talk about support for the men and women in our state, that is a great
testament right there.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Thank you.
Washburn, any comments?
General WASHBURN. We have these programs in Indiana as well. What we are looking to
do is to improve the utilization of them, more outreach to use the tuition
assistance that is available, and to apply for the grants that are available,
the grants and the scholarships that are available. That is what we would like
to see. Other than that, our programs are the same as Iowa and Tennessee.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Okay. Very good. Thank you.
Braley, anything further?
Mr. BRALEY I just want to make an observation about this incredibly critical
component of every national guard unit and that is the tuition assistance which
not only helps recruit new members but gives those existing members of those
guard units some sense that their country believes in them and wants to invest
Yet, sadly when you have a unit that had served the longest combat deployment
in Iraq and they come home and somebody at the Pentagon cuts their orders short
by one, two, three, four, or five days, so they are ineligible for a $250 a month
additional tuition bump under the GI Bill, it sends a horrible message.
it should not take Members of Congress to get that problem solved when it is
initiated from the Pentagon. And I think that we have seen so much sacrifice
by our guard units and we saw historically why they are playing such a critical
role in our overall defense strategy that we need to think these things through
seriously before we put them in a position where they doubt whether their
government is standing with them.
I just want to offer that editorial comment.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Okay. Thank you very much to all of you for being here and thank
you in particular for your service to our country and to our guardsmen as
well. And we will excuse you all.
we will call up our last and final panel. The final panel has just one witness
and it will be the Acting Assistant Secretary of Labor for Veterans’
Employment and Training, Ismael Ortiz.
Ortiz, welcome, and we appreciate your work that you have been assigned to.
And we know that you are an integral part of the many ways that we help our
veterans and to also help create solutions and increasing employment
opportunities for all our veterans including the members of the guard and the
you are also responsible for helping implement the Vow to Hire Heroes Act, so
no pressure for you, right? And so thank you for being here and you are
recognized for five minutes.
Mr. ORTIZ. Thank you, sir.
morning, Chairman Stutzman, Ranking Member Braley, and distinguished Members of
you know, my name is Junior Ortiz, Department of Labor’s Veterans’ Employment
and Training Service. Thank you for the invitation to testify today and for
holding this important hearing on lowering the unemployment rate of our
would like to provide an overview of the work VETS is doing to lower this
unemployment rate and our efforts to educate members of the military, guard,
reserve, as well as employers about the provisions of the Uniformed Services
Employment and Reemployment Rights Act.
military transitions approximately 160,000 active-duty servicemembers and
demobilizes approximately 95,000 reserve and national guard servicemembers
of the department’s programs aimed at meeting this need is Job for Veteran
State Grants which funds our DVOPs and LVERs Program.
employment specialists provide outreach and intensive employment services
through nearly 3,000 one-stop career centers across the country. These
services benefit both active duty and reserve components.
year, JVSG provided service to nearly 600,000 veterans of which more than
200,000 veterans found jobs.
important VETS program is the Transition Assistance Program which provides
employment workshops and direct service for separating servicemembers including
members of the national guard and reserve.
fiscal year 2011, over 144,000 transitioning servicemembers and spouses
attended the TAP employment workshop. Of those attendees, 2,249 were guard and
has also taken steps to provide transition assistance and employment services
to demobilizing members in the guard and reserve in the event that they are not
located near the 272 locations where TAP is normally provided.
state directors work with the stay behind element of the units and coordinate
requested support as part of the planning process when units are in their area
me share a couple of examples. VETS in the Oregon employment department have
partnered with the Oregon national guard and others to address the employment
needs of returning guards and reservists. This past year, while the 3rd
116th Cav Unit was deployed to Iraq, the commander surveyed the
employment status of the deployed personnel. The information was used to
coordinate Skype employment interviews with local employers. Upon return from
the deployment, 51 of the 113 original soldiers surveyed found jobs after their
release from military service.
I testified before the committee in December, Congressman Walz mentioned the
Red Bull brigade combat team project in Minnesota. The project intends to hire
two LVERs and three DVOPs to work specifically with this brigade.
partnership with ESGR, pre-deployment interviews were held with each member to
identify employment and training needs. Five hundred and fifty servicemembers
are either unemployed or underemployed. Thus, a referral process is being
developed to provide these servicemembers assistance immediately upon their
efforts are happening all across the country. Our DVOPs are working closely
with JVSG staff, several other organizations, some of whom were here today, to
coordinate as many services to the veterans and reserve components as possible
in their states.
complement the core programs of our service, we have also provided intensive
service and on-line initiatives such as the gold card, the veterans’ job bank,
and my next move for veterans.
are working together with private sector to increase employment to our veterans
and returning servicemembers. As of this point, as Mr. Young mentioned,
Chamber of Commerce in partnership with ESGR and VETS has hosted numerous
hiring fairs with more than 84,000 veterans and military spouses have been
given the opportunity to meet with 4,300 different employers. And as a result,
more than 7,300 veterans and military spouses and 60 wounded warriors have
I would like to discuss DoL’s efforts to educate and enforce the provisions of
USERRA. VETS investigates complaints filed by veterans and other protected
individuals, assesses complaints alleging violations to statutes requiring
veterans’ preference in federal hiring, and implements and collects information
regarding veterans’ employment by federal contracts.
and education are the best ways to ensure that our servicemembers’ and veterans’
rights are protected under USERRA. Having said that, VETS will continue its
aggressive public campaign not only to our servicemen and women but employers,
attorneys, and human resource professionals as well.
conducts mobilization and demobilization briefings to all guards and reserve
units and provides direct technical assistance to returning and deploying
servicemembers and their families.
September 11th, VETS has briefed nearly one million individuals on
USERRA. We plan to continue our outreach activities and remain confident in
our abilities to provide timely and accurate information to the veterans we
is fully committed to fulfilling our mission and with the help of our
stakeholders and partners, we will continue to work to improve the services and
programs we provide.
Stutzman, Ranking Member Braley, Members of the subcommittee, this concludes my
statement. Thank you for the opportunity to testify today and I would be
pleased to answer any of your questions, sir.
statement of Ismael Ortiz appears in the Appendix.]
Mr. STUTZMAN. Thank you, Mr. Ortiz, and thank you for your testimony.
your written testimony, you state that VETS often provides the three core components
of TAP to guard and reserve units at the unit commander’s request.
many of these type of briefings does a VETS complete in a year? And then I
will ask you the same question I asked the previous panel. Is it time to make
TAP mandatory for guard and reserve units?
Mr. ORTIZ. Sir, we provide briefings not only into TAP and USERRA and everything
else in conjunction with ESGR when the individuals are mobilizing and
demobilizing. The specific number I do not know, but I will find out.
far as making TAP mandatory, we have provided the services to our reserve and
national guardsmen to date again with the help of ESGR and the partnerships
that we have with the tags.
will continue to do whatever needs to be done. If it becomes mandatory, again,
sir, we are standing by to make that happen.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Also, you had stated that TAP includes labor market information.
As part of that, as each participant is given information on the specific labor
market in the area where the participant intends to live--I am sorry. Let me
part of that, is each participant, are they given information on the specific
labor market in the area in which they intend to live?
Mr. ORTIZ. Congressman, what we normally do is, depending on the state, for the
national guard and reserve, it is pretty easy because, I mean, the majority of
them will stay in that area. So, of course, yes. When we give information on
the market, the market information is usually within that area.
if the individual decides to go to other places, it depends exactly on a
one-on-one basis, but the majority of the time, to answer your question, yes,
sir, we do. We provide market information within that specific area.
Mr. STUTZMAN. And when a guardsman is moving to another area, that information
is included as well for--
Mr. ORTIZ. If we find out and, again, depending on how you work with the unit
commander, how you are working not only with the unit commander but the
individual units themselves, specifically if we have onesies and twosies that
come in and say, hey, instead of being in Indiana, I am going to go to Iowa, at
least being able to find out what those particulars are, being able to pass it
off, if you will, to our DVET in that specific area or our one-stop career
centers in that specific area also can give that kind of information.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Have you heard about the Pipeline Program that was mentioned
earlier by Ms. DeRocco?
Mr. ORTIZ. Yes, sir, we have. Matter of fact, we are presently having a
meeting, I think it is next week, to hear all the particulars with DoD on
exactly what they have to offer and all the specifics on it, sir.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Okay. And then also General Orr had stated that in Iowa, they
have placed employment kiosks to assist guardsmen in armories throughout the
it common, first of all, in any other states that you are aware of and then is
this something that should be replicated throughout other state workforce
agencies around the country?
Mr. ORTIZ. Actually, sir, I was not aware of that. However, after talking with
General Orr on those, it would be a very helpful tool because it gives
information on everything that is available there.
along those same lines, I mean, you can look at some of the initiatives that
DoL has actually put out there, whether it be the job bank or whether it be my
next move for veterans, to be able to at least go in there and put in that
information so that way, they can find out specifically what their MOS is, specifically
how that translates to a civilian job.
to answer your question, sir, I think it would be a great idea.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Yes, I agree. I think, too, it is a good idea.
DeRocco also mentioned that manufacturers have little interaction with the
state employment services. You want to comment on that? I mean, we have seen
this before in the hearings that we have had that there is a disconnect between
the DVOP and LVERs and those offering employment services around the country.
Mr. ORTIZ. Sir, I am not going to comment on specifically what she put out as
far as how she is doing it. The basic premise behind this is our LVERs are
going out there to outreach to employers. They are going to find out what is
available out there in order to help our veterans that come in because as they
come in, we are able to say, hey, these are your skill sets, this is where we
are at, these are the opportunities that are available out there.
for some reason, as she stated, she said it is up to the manufacturer who turns
around and wants to go and let people know what is available, that defeats the
purpose. If you have a facility, and I will put it in the simplest terms, is
if you have some place that you can put information that is going to help attract
the individuals that you are trying to attract, then by God use it.
cannot speak to why they would not do it or anything. I can only speak that we
have one-stops across the country that actually help in being able to provide
that information to our veterans, whether it be national guard, reservists, or
veterans across the board, on opportunities that are out there.
I do not know what those opportunities are, I cannot turn around and continue
to push that on.
Mr. STUTZMAN. You know, as I think about this and where we are putting the
dollars, there comes a point when we have to look at the value that we are
getting from DVOPs and LVERs.
we be better off at some time putting more of those dollars into educating
those who are transitioning back into the workforce? I mean, you understand?
they would get the education that they need, it gives them the tools that they
need rather than focusing on placement because it seems like we have a
disconnect that we continually hear about. And, is it a problem that
can be resolved and fixed?
Mr. ORTIZ. If I understand your question correctly, sir, we are talking about
our transitioning servicemembers or our veterans across the board coming out
and having the specific information on areas.
and as, you know, as a parent of someone who transitioned out, sometimes our
transitioning servicemembers are not really aware of exactly where they want to
go. We have some that know exactly what they want, how they are going to achieve
it, and they go for it.
be able to kind of give them a general purpose, which is what the transition
assistance workshop is trying to do, to give them an idea and the tools they
need to be able to get that program together, if you will, their individual
transition plan, to go forward so that way they can find it and then go to a
specific entity that is going to help you achieve that goal, that may be the
one-stop. That may be education. That may be a combination of things.
think to be specific in the area unless you get a one-on-one kind of thing with
a specific individual, transitioning member, which is what, I mean, honestly,
sir, that is what the gold card initiative is supposed to do, one that
individual comes out to be able to go right with them and have six months of an
the tags told you, if we have a one-on-one kind of thing, hey, I can place
anybody. But to make that a completely big statement, sir, you are talking
about a transition employment workshop or a transition process, if you will,
that would take a lot longer.
Mr. STUTZMAN. And I understand that. And I guess that is why I am questioning, at some point, do we need to reevaluate?
the value that we are receiving, because that is a tough job, it is a
big job, would we be better off at some point saying we need to make
sure that we are providing enough education assistance for the guardsmen or for
the soldier coming out of the military focusing our attention on that part and
then, hoping that that will naturally give them the tools that they
need to transition into the workforce because they have those tools and not
counting on placement help from DVOP and LVERs, that is really a tough
challenge to accomplish?
Mr. ORTIZ. I am in agreement with you, sir. I mean, it is a matter of how we
wanted to reevaluate certain things. I think what we are trying to do now as
far as transitioning our servicemembers to get them to a point where they at
least have the tools to be able to do exactly what you are saying, sir.
Mr. STUTZMAN. I just want to make sure we get the best bang for our buck and,
you know, making sure that our men and women who come out of the military are
getting that I think is important.
Mr. ORTIZ. I am in agreement with you, Chairman.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Thank you.
Mr. BRALEY Mr. Ortiz, welcome back.
Mr. ORTIZ. Thank you, sir.
Mr. BRALEY Mr. Lara, Minority O&I Subcommittee Staff Director, and I have one very pressing question for you.
Mr. ORTIZ. Sir.
Mr. BRALEY Why Junior? I told him I think it is because everybody trusts a guy
Mr. ORTIZ. You know what, sir? If I was in rural America, you are absolutely
Mr. BRALEY I have a question for you about the Guard Apprentice Program
initiative that you discussed in your testimony. And you wrote continues to
build relationships with employers and colleges to facilitate civilian
apprenticeship and employment opportunities for national guard and reserve
question to you is, are you also partnering with labor unions which have
existing apprentice programs and have many veterans who are members?
Mr. ORTIZ. Actually, sir, yes, we have. And we have been doing that for many
years. You know, helmets to hard hats is a perfect example.
will talk to you about a specific one, welders, a welder’s program, pipe
fitters and welders out in California where the services have actually come and
we joined with them to do certain things. The marines actually were doing
to answer your question, yes, sir, we have. And I think now it is getting even
more involved because the skills that these young men and women bring out
there, especially as an example, navy individuals, Heltecs. Heltecs are
plumbers, pipers, you know, can weld, can do things like that, RCBs from the
navy side of the house or, for that matter, in the army or the air force, those
technicians that actually work on a lot of those things.
unions out there see that as a great piece. So, yes, sir, we have. And we
cannot specifically turn around and tell a person go and see so and so or go do
this. However, at the one-stop centers, those individuals are told about
I think it helps them at least identify what their capabilities are. Our DVOPs
and LVERs can actually do that for them.
Mr. BRALEY Is that a more common practice in states that have large military
installations in their states than it is in states like mine that do not?
Mr. ORTIZ. Congressman, I cannot answer that, sir, because I do not know.
Mr. BRALEY Okay.
Mr. ORTIZ. And I would be remiss if I told you, yes, sir, that is what it is.
Mr. BRALEY You also testified that transitioning servicemembers often do not
know where they want to go which is something we have seen and heard at some of
our hearings. We never really talk a lot about small business entrepreneurs
because a lot of young people have never really had an adult job because they
have either enlisted before they had that opportunity or they have gone to
college and then they get deployed in a guard unit and they come home and that
is their first real opportunity to decide what are they going to do with the
rest of their life.
Are we doing anything for those individuals who may want to
be the ones giving the orders and running their own small businesses to help
them understand what it takes to be successful small business owners and how
they put together a business plan and how they put together a finance plan and
how they get capital to start a small business?
Mr. ORTIZ. Presently as far as DoL, our transition assistance, our employment
workshop talks about the generalities of that. What we are doing in the task
force, the DoD/VA task force that hopefully will be giving you information on
some of those things, there are four areas that they are looking at also,
education, entrepreneurship, employment obviously, and technical.
yes, we are finally understanding that there are young men and women that come
out that through the time that they have been in the service have actually
gotten their degrees, have actually worked really hard or as an example our
phenomenal mechanics and they want to open up a bike shop or a shop that would
be able to do stuff like that. We have some great diesel mechanics who would
really like to do that, especially for 18-wheelers and things of that nature.
yes, now we understand the services have finally understood that there is a
need for these young men and women to be able to have a track, if you will,
along those same lines. The VOWAC basically tells us our mandatory piece is
the employment workshop, the VA benefits, and, of course, the services giving
us their information as far as making sure that that individual transitions
secondary piece to that is to have them have the capability of going back and
finding out what their educational opportunities are, what entrepreneurial
opportunities there are and things of that nature.
yes, sir, we are actually looking at it. And the services have actually made
the, how do you say, the needed move to try and make that happen because they
are seeing the same thing, sir.
Mr. BRALEY I just have two quick questions about two of the programs you identified
in your statement, one the veterans’ job bank and the gold card. And I realize
that the jobs bank bill was just signed into law November of last year.
are you getting any sense from people who are using that resource, and I am not
talking about just visiting and checking it out, but actually using it and
deriving some benefit from it in terms of whether it is meeting its stated
objective or not?
Mr. ORTIZ. Actually, sir, last Thursday, I was in New Orleans with the National
Association of State Workforce Agencies, NASWA, and I asked the same question.
I said, hey, you know, we know how many people are actually downloading the
gold card, and specifically for the gold card, sir, are downloading the gold
card and they are looking at different aspects.
said have you all been receiving this. We had a lot of the states turn around
and say yes, as a matter of fact, we have and, in fact, it is working really
cannot turn around and tell you, sir, the specifics on how many, but the
anecdotal information that I got from the actual state workforce agency members
as part of the NASWA Committee, they told me that it was being effective
because they are able to talk to the person one on one and be able to kind of
get that feeling of exactly what they need and how to guide them in the right
direction. And their DVOPs and LVERs have been tremendous in that thing.
specific states, Texas was one of them. Connecticut told me that they are
moving along real well. I was not sure of Indiana or Iowa or any of those, but
I know that a letter, every one of them were aware of it and they actually are
you know, it appears anecdotally, sir, that the system is actually working and
that kids are finally getting something out of it.
far as the job bank is concerned, I cannot tell you the results as how many
have actually gotten jobs. But as far as visiting the site and working through
it and everything else, we have gotten pretty good response, sir.
Mr. BRALEY Mr. Chairman, maybe with your permission, we could set a goal of a
six-month review and get an update on what has been happening and which states
are sort of setting the curve on that so we can continue to push for results as
with that, I will yield back.
Mr. STUTZMAN. Yes, I would agree to that as well.
I have no further questions at this time. I just want to thank you again, Mr.
Ortiz, for being here and for your work. I know you have a big job to handle
and we want to be here to help and make sure that our vets are getting the
services that they need.
any further closing comments?
Mr. STUTZMAN. Okay. Well, with that, I ask unanimous consent that all Members
have five legislative days in which to revise and extend their remarks on
today’s hearing. Hearing no objection, so ordered.
I just want to thank each of the witnesses for being with us today and I look
forward to continuing this dialogue we have begun. And I realize that it is a
tough job and this job is only going to get more challenging as the wars wind
down thankfully. But we do want to address these problems as best as we can.
with that, this hearing is adjourned.
at 12:59 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]
Welcome to the first Subcommittee on Economic Opportunity
hearing of the second session. There is a good reason why I chose this as the
Shortly after the end of the Vietnam War, the United States
defense policy changed to transition the National Guard and Reserves from a
strategic reserve to an operational reserve. There were several reasons for
doing this ranging from the perception that a reliance on the Reserve
Components would lessen the likelihood of military actions in the future to
reducing the cost of our defense forces. Regardless of those reasons, members
of the Guard and Reserves have borne a significant share of the combat since
9/11. Clearly, they are no longer “Weekend Warriors.”
That also means that employers - especially small businesses
- have experienced labor challenges not seen since World War II and by and
large, have supported their employees. Unfortunately, active duty call-ups,
combined with a bad economy, have created historically high unemployment rates
among the Guard and Reserves. Even more unfortunate, you will hear today that
some employers have used what I believe are less-than-ethical tactics to
terminate members of the Guard and Reserves.
As the owner of a small business, I understand the pressures
on employers that the loss of a critical employee creates. But in the end, the
question I always ask is, who is making the greater sacrifice, the employer or
the service member who is literally going in harm’s way and that member’s
family who must cope with all the stresses of a deployment?
You will also hear today from the National Association of
Manufacturing about the over 600,000 manufacturing jobs going unfilled because
of skill shortages. With that kind of information we must ask ourselves, what
are we as a nation doing wrong?
For example, taxpayers are providing a generous GI Bill
education and training program and the Department of Education offers numerous
Title 4 financial assistance programs. In many cases, the states are also
offering generous education and training benefits to members of their state’s
National Guard as well as veterans in general. Additionally, the recently
passed VOW to Hire Heroes Act focuses on renewing the skills of unemployed
veterans between the ages of 35 and 60 by providing up to a year of Montgomery
GI Bill benefits. Veterans also have priority access to all Department of
Labor Workforce Investment Act or WIA (WEE-A) programs. All of these education
and benefit programs offer opportunities to acquire skills needed by today’s
employers. So where are we going wrong, where are the gaps and I look forward
to some concrete ideas here today to help us. I would note that none of the
government’s witnesses have made any such suggestions in their written
I am pleased to see that manufacturers are increasing their
role as you will hear in Ms. De Rocco’s testimony and I believe that increasing
initiatives by the employer side of the equation is an area that offers
significant leverage in developing and matching skills with job vacancies. In
the end, it will likely be up to employers to take actions at the local level
rather than moving jobs overseas. I know that many companies work with
community colleges to develop the skills needed in their company and I suspect
that expanding that model is an area we need to explore further.
Before I yield to the Ranking Member, as everyone knows, the
Transition Assistance Program is an integral part of transition. In fact, I
believe that every one of today’s witnesses mentions TAP in their written
testimony. In preparing for this hearing, the staff asked the Administration
for a briefing on the redesign of the Transition Assistance Program or TAP.
Unfortunately, that briefing has been delayed pending release of a study done
for the White House. While I commend the Administration for doing the study,
delaying its release – for whatever reason – does not help either the Congress
or the Administration to get on with revitalizing an important program and I
urge the White House to release the study.
Once again, welcome and I now recognize the distinguished
Ranking Member, Mr. Braley for his opening remarks.
First, I would like to thank Major General Timothy Orr, The Adjutant General
of the Iowa National Guard and Dick Rue, State Chair of Iowa ESGR for joining us
to testify in this hearing today. I know they have both been hard at work trying
to decrease unemployment among returning Iowa National Guard and Reserve
In October, Chairman Stutzman and I traveled to Waterloo, Iowa, and Ft.
Wayne, Indiana to hear first-hand about unemployment issues from veterans and
Guard and Reserve Members. One of the things we kept hearing was the need to
help service members translate their military skills to the civilian jobs they
were seeking, as well as getting assistance in interview techniques.
Over 600,000 members of the National Guard and Reserve have been mobilized
since the attacks of September 11, 2001, and nearly 15,000 Iowa National Guard
members have served their country at home and across the world in that same time
period. Just this past summer, 2,800 Iowa National Guard Members returned from
a deployment to Afghanistan. This means that thousands of individuals
volunteered to leave their jobs to serve their country, with the uncertainty of
knowing what would be waiting for them once they returned.
Coming home after fighting overseas is difficult enough, but veterans often
struggle to find good-paying jobs after leaving the service. It is estimated
that approximately one out of every four combat veterans from Iraq and
Afghanistan are out-of-work. That’s unacceptable. Fortunately, progress is being
made. Because of the work of various organizations in Iowa, the unemployment
rate for recently returned Iowa National Guard Members has dropped considerably,
from around 25% in August to around 10% today. And I expect that this rate will
continue to drop because of their efforts.
The uncertainty of knowing when a deployment will occur can affect
employment. Our Reservists and Guardsmen are a pool of talented and dedicated
individuals - men and women who have an education and real-world employment
experience. These warriors have full-time civilian jobs while they proudly
serve on the weekends. They return from deployment to their civilian jobs, only
to face the reality of being deployed once again, which can be emotionally
draining for our troops and their families.
According to the statements made during the field hearings in October, some
National Guard members deemphasized their service to their country because of
fears that employers would not want to hire them, knowing they could be deployed
at any minute. They did not want to discourage prospective employers from hiring
them. Although the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act (USERRA)
provides protections from employment discrimination based on military service,
some Reserve members have lost their employment.
It is our responsibility to create a culture where all American businesses
recognize the important service of their employees who have answered the call to
duty. Employers are vital to empowering employees who are members of the
National Guard and Reserves. We want all of our veterans to succeed and we want
their employers to do well also. Employers’ support and encouragement allow
these warriors to serve their country without the concern of losing their job or
being unemployed when they return home.
Men and women who’ve put their lives on the line for our country deserve to
have every opportunity when they return home. This hearing will help us find
better ways to open new doors for veterans, particularly Iowa National Guard and
Reserve members who have recently returned from service in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Despite the impression from press
reports, the employment situation of veterans as a group has always been
positive. In fact, the unemployment rate for ALL veterans has always been lower
than nonveterans and lower than the national unemployment rate.
While the national unemployment
rate for all veterans was only 7.7% (CPS) in December 2011, there is an
unemployment issue for young veterans, but it is not as many think because the
young veterans lack skills or served in the current wars. The unemployment rate
for young veterans had historically been comparable to the national
unemployment rate until 2007, at which time the 18 to 24 year old veteran
unemployment rate and to some degree the 25 to 29 year old unemployment rate
started rising rapidly. The rise in the young veteran unemployment rate is a
direct result of a DOD call up policy implemented in January 2007. The call up
policy caused employers to not want to hire members of the National Guard which
led to the high unemployment rate in young veterans.
The information and data in this
testimony will demonstrate the high unemployment rate of young veterans is a
direct result of their participation in the National Guard and Reserve and the
current call up policy. Due to the constant activation of the National Guard
upwards of 65% of employers will not now hire as a new employee anyone who is
an active member of the National Guard. The result is the exceptionally high
unemployment rate of young veterans. The unemployment rate of 18 to 24 year old
veterans in November, 2011, was 37.9%, comprising 95,000 veterans and fell to
31.0% in December, comprising 74,000 veterans. While BLS statistics do not distinguish
between veterans and active members of the National Guard, the data presented
in this report leads me to believe the bulk of these unemployed veterans are in
the National Guard.
If a veteran has totally separated
from the military, retired, or is a wounded warrior, they are for the most part
finding employment. This is not to say some are not having difficulties in this
rough economy. One can always find an exception. But if a veteran remains
active in the National Guard, they are having a difficult time finding
meaningful employment due to the constant call ups and deployment schedules.
Young veteran unemployment in the
National Guard will become worse as they try to compete against veterans who will
be downsized from the active duty forces. Young veteran unemployment in the
National Guard could reach 50% if there is not a change in policy.
Veterans do very well in the
following disciplines: information technology, project management, consulting, sales, linguists, logistics,
transportation, human resources, education,
construction, manufacturing, engineering, finance, banking, healthcare,
senior executives and expatriates.
Good morning, Chairman, members and staff of the
Subcommittee on Economic Opportunity of the House Committee on Veterans Affairs
very pleased the HVAC is addressing the issue of National Guard unemployment. The
National Guard unemployment problem is intertwined with the Federal Reserve
(www.vetjobs.com) has a unique vantage
point on these discussions as by the nature of our business over the last
thirteen years, VetJobs deals with veterans and their family members on a daily
basis who are pursuing employment. We deal with all veterans, including Officer and Enlisted, Active Duty,
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and Public Health Service, DOD civilians and their family members. VetJobs has
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interest in the National Guard and Reserve became heightened when the 20 to 24
year old young veteran unemployment rate doubled when it went from 10.4% in
2006 to 22.3% in 2007 following the introduction of the current call up policy in
January 2007. That increase was the initial warning bell that there would be significant
increases in employment problems for members of the National Guard and Reserve directly
related to the change in the call up policy.
order to solve a problem one must effectively analyze, define and identify the
problem and its causes. If one does not understand the sources of the problem, well-meaning
solutions that are chosen will not work, or worse, will not address the problem
on a solution to the National Guard and Reserve unemployment problem is
important. I am convinced that there are those at DOD who were aware this
problem existed, but for various bureaucratic and political reasons have been
trying to pretend the issue does not exist and have been kicking the can down
the road for someone else to deal with in the future. That might be good for a
bureaucrat’s career, but the young members of the National Guard and Reserve who
have families to support should be given better treatment. The component
members are being made to suffer from bureaucratic policies, and that is not a
fair thing to do to the very people who have been fighting for our country and
example, in a discussion with a former head of a Reserve force, I was told that
not one of his Reservists was having a problem finding a job. He was parroting
policy, but it was a flawed policy because at the time many Reservists were
having problems finding employment due to the call up policy. The same issue
affects the National Guard.
follows is a discussion of my observations of the National Guard and Reserve unemployment
issue with an emphasis on the National Guard. My observations are as a former
drilling Navy Reservist and as a businessman managing the leading military
related internet employment site that interacts with state and federal
agencies, corporations, nonprofit organizations, and businesses seeking to hire
transitioning military, veterans, National Guard, Reservists and their family
the myths and misunderstandings in the press regarding veteran unemployment, I present
the following documentation about what is actually happening and why the
National Guard in particular is where the true veteran unemployment problem
the discussion I offer potential solutions for consideration. Having studied
this issue for nearly a decade, I have found there is no silver bullet that
will solve the National Guard unemployment problem. But a combination of policy
changes and utilizing existing public and private sector resources will go a
long way towards assisting those members of the National Guard who need help.
this testimony is concentrating on the National Guard, the Federal Reserve faces
many of the same issues.
to emphasize from the outset that I am very supportive of an operational
National Guard and Reserve. In the later years of my time as a drilling Navy
Reservist in the Naval Reserve Intelligence Program we stressed making our
Reserve Intelligence units operational, which proved very beneficial during the
first Gulf War. Having an operational National Guard and Reserve makes the United States stronger
on the national stage. But the use of the National Guard and Reserve needs to
be done in such a way as to still let the component member maintain a continuum
of civilian employment.
Chairman Stutzman, Ranking Member Braley and members of the Subcommittee,
thank you for the opportunity to testify on behalf of The Manufacturing
Institute at this hearing on Lowering the Rate of Unemployment for the National
My name is Emily DeRocco, and I am the President of The
Manufacturing Institute. We are the non-profit affiliate of the National
Association of Manufacturers (NAM), and our mission is to support the nation’s
manufacturers through solutions and services focused on education, workforce
development and innovation acceleration.
Over the past few months, manufacturing has enjoyed
something of a national spotlight.
Organizations all across Washington, from the White House and Congress
to major think tanks and government agencies, have been discussing the
manufacturing industry and what America must do to maintain and grow its
Manufacturing is certainly deserving of the recognition it
is now receiving because it is an industry that is truly vital to our economic
security. Manufacturing is the leader in generating wealth from overseas,
contributing 57 percent of the total value of U.S. exports. Of course,
manufacturing also plays a vital role in our national security, building the
equipment, machines, and armor that equip and protect our servicemen and
The American public understands how important manufacturing
is to our country. Each year we conduct
a public perception survey to understand how Americans feel about our
industry. Not only do they believe that
manufacturing is critical to our economic and national security, but when given
a choice of selecting any industry to create 1,000 jobs in their backyard, the
number one choice is manufacturing.
But while manufacturing enjoys the support of policymakers
and the public, manufacturing companies face a serious challenge -- they are
unable to find workers who are qualified to step in and contribute to their
operations. In a survey that the
Institute just completed, over 80% of manufacturers reported a
moderate-to-serious shortage in skilled production workers. 80%.
Nearly 75% of manufacturers say that this shortage has negatively
impacted their ability to expand, costing us an incredible number of jobs at a
time when jobs are desperately needed.
Perhaps most alarming though is that, because much of the current
workforce is quickly approaching retirement, over two-thirds of manufacturers
actually expect the situation to get worse in the next couple of years.
This has led to a situation where 5% of all jobs in
manufacturing are unfilled because companies cannot find workers with the right
skills. In real terms, that is 600,000
open jobs today in manufacturing.
Those are some frightening results and make clear the threat
that a lack of a skilled workforce poses to manufacturers.
It is widely accepted that the skills obtained in the
military, from personal effectiveness attributes such as integrity and
professionalism to more technically defined skills such as process design and
development, are in abundance among separating military personnel. However it
has traditionally been a challenge to directly align the skills developed
during military service to the job codes in the private sector. In addition, the services offered through the Transition Assistance
Program vary base by base…command by command.
Traditionally the military has focused on retaining members, not helping
them transition out.
So we have two problems…The Transitional Assistance Program
is inconsistent and often outdated in its attempt to help separating military
and manufacturers want access to a highly skilled labor force.
Fortunately, we now have a new system that will help with
both of these challenges. In partnership with a company called Futures, The
Manufacturing Institute has created an online tool that we’re calling the U.S.
Manufacturing Pipeline. It will provide
the information for separating military to learn about careers available in
advanced manufacturing, locate the schools and programs that teach additional
applicable skills, and find available jobs at manufacturers in every region of
And for manufacturers, it will be the place to find the skilled
workers they need to close the skills gap and expand their operations. Pipeline can allow individual companies to
send a message to any individual that has, for example, welding skills, and lives within a certain distance of their
facility and invite them to apply for an open position. This really is a powerful tool that can
change the way manufacturers find and recruit talent, facilitating access to
Though the Pipeline platform has only been in operation for
a short time, and no significant marketing campaign has occurred, over 35,000
servicemen and women are now using the site for their career and employment
searches. This is entirely through
peer-to-peer and viral marketing and demonstrates the quality of the product. And this number is set to increase
The Defense Department is preparing a major advertising
campaign to reach over 1 million Armed Forces Reserve and National Guard
personnel and encourage them to sign up with Pipeline. By demonstrating success with this group of
servicemen and women, we hope that, through our partnership with Futures, we
can engage with the Transition Assistance Programs for each of the services to
reach all active duty personnel who are nearing their transition date, offering
manufacturing jobs as an immediate career opportunity for all men and women who
have served in uniform.
Finally, our longer term strategy for the U.S. Manufacturing
Pipeline includes engaging with community colleges across the country that
offer programs that provide national industry skill certifications. This will allow transitioning military
personnel to easily find any additional education and training needed to work
I’m certainly excited about this and believe we are very
close to a National Talent Solution for manufacturing. Our manufacturers need the skilled workforce
to compete. Our separating military need
good jobs. And our country needs
manufacturing for this to be another great American century.
Thank you for the opportunity to join you today and I’m pleased
to take any questions.
Chairman Stutzman, Ranking Member Braley, and distinguished members of
the subcommittee; I am honored to appear before you today on behalf of the more
than 14,000 men and women serving in the Tennessee Army and Air National Guard,
and I would like to begin by expressing my sincere appreciation for the
outstanding support of this Subcommittee.
Since the tragic attacks on our homeland on September 11, 2001, more
than 27,000 brave Tennessee National Guard Soldiers and Airmen have deployed
both at home and abroad protecting the freedoms that we all enjoy.
Tennessee National Guard Unemployment Statistics
These men and women of the Volunteer State have
answered the call of this nation without hesitation or reservation. Most return home after defending this great
nation and resume the civilian lifestyle they left, renewing relationships with
family and friends and returning to their civilian workplace; but all too often
many return to an uncertain future. The
issue of Soldiers and Airmen facing unemployment in the civilian sector is
paramount in our concerns for the well-being of our troops.
In Tennessee, about 20-25 percent of our National
Guard strength is either unemployed or under employed, with about 3.5 percent
of those identified as full-time students.
This compares to an 8.7 percent unemployment rate for Tennessee as a
whole. We owe these volunteers our very
best efforts in helping them gain employment.
But to effectively combat this problem, we have to know the enemy. We have to look beyond the reported numbers
that may, in fact, demonstrate a "false positive". To understand the magnitude of the problem,
we have to determine an accurate number of Guard members who are actively
seeking employment. We also have to
determine if their deployment caused them to be unemployed, or were they
unemployed before deploying. In
Tennessee, we continually encourage the unit commanders and leadership to
identify these individuals in order to assist them however we can. Simply, we must know what the true
objectives are before we can attack them.
National Guard Initiatives and Transition Assistance
In Tennessee, we are striving to identify
those true objectives. In conjunction
with the Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve, we are conducting
Employment Assistance Workshops about once each month. This 3-day event provides one-on-one career
counseling addressing issues such as writing an effective resume, guidance in
preparing for, and how to conduct an interview.
On the final day, employers, such as FEDEX, Verizon Wireless, Hospital
Corporation of America, Dollar General, AT&T and a multitude of other
employers are on hand to interview prospective employees. Hopefully, through this process the employers
will find and hire a quality Guard member that brings a great deal to the
table, offering that employer a motivated, disciplined, drug-free asset with
the training and potential for leadership within their company.
We have sponsored
or supported 18 Job Fairs in the past 17 months with 415 participants. Of those
participants, 111 have responded to inquiry, and 37% of the respondents have
This program, along
with our Yellow Ribbon initiatives, unemployment counseling at Soldier
out-processing upon their return, and our outstanding relationship with the
Tennessee Department of Labor are all positive steps in reducing the number of
unemployed Guard members in Tennessee.
I’ve often heard it said that the
Soldiers and Airmen of our National Guard are the best America has to
offer. These men and women are willing
to put their lives on hold, and without hesitation . . . without reservation,
walk away from family, community, and their civilian occupation to defend and
protect this great nation. We owe them
no less than our very best.
Thank you for allowing me to address this
subcommittee, and I stand ready to answer any questions you may have.
Chairman Stutzman and honorable members of the subcommittee; on behalf
of MG R. Martin Umbarger, The Adjutant General of Indiana, I am honored to
appear before you today to represent our
14,314 Army and Air National Guard Service members. I would also like to begin by expressing my
sincere appreciation to the subcommittee for its tremendous support over the
past several years, and for your concern with the well-being of the outstanding
men and women serving in our nation’s National Guard.
Indiana National Guard Unemployment
Indiana also faces the challenge
of unemployment and underemployment for our Guardsmen. Indiana has deployed over 17,693 service
members since 9/11. Based on the
Department of Defense Civilian Employment Information database, it is estimated
that nationally 20 percent of returning National Guard Soldiers and Airmen are
unemployed. The current rate of
unemployed Indiana National Guard members is roughly 23 percent, which is over
twice our current state rate of 9 percent unemployment. Thus, we estimate roughly 3,300 Indiana
Guardsmen and women are unemployed.
As we conduct more detailed
analysis, we find these numbers slightly skewed by the number of service
members just completing high school or currently enrolled in higher
education. Furthermore, in Indiana, we
also chose to track and assist unemployed spouses, when identified, believing
that getting at least one of the family members employed significantly improves
overall service member household well being and readiness.
Indiana National Guard Initiatives
In 2009, MG Umbarger created the
Indiana National Guard Employment Coordination Program. The objectives of this program are to
identify, track, and reduce unemployment within the Indiana National
Guard. These objectives are accomplished
through working directly with each unemployed service member to increase their
marketability, collaborate with Indiana employers for the hiring of our
members, and quality assurance checks with these businesses on the service
members they have already hired. Direct
hands on assistance includes Resume writing, active Job Search training,
Interview Skills, and Job Preparedness training. Developing a service member’s marketability
includes education, skills training, Vocational rehabilitation, and even near
term financial assistance for such things as reliable transportation to their
Our Employment Coordination Program works
individually with each identified service member throughout all phases of the
deployment cycle. We actually define a
service member’s needs while the member is still in theater and are present at
the demobilization station when the service member returns so we may initiate
actions required to improve their marketability or educational needs. We have now placed over 1000 service members
and spouses in jobs. Some of these jobs
were Active Duty Operational Support (ADOS), temporary positions, and a
combination of education with part time employment. The Employment Coordination
Program has also assisted in completion of 2443 resumes, has 484 jobs openings
currently posted, and submitted 2050 job applications.
Another initiative is the Indiana National Guard –
Business Partnership. We currently have
over 125 businesses involved with this partnership. This partnership includes a reciprocal
support process designed to provide both the employer and employee with
resources and assets to complete successful hiring and sustained job
performance. We have placed 172 service
members in jobs within these 125 businesses.
Another initiative is MG Umbarger’s Executive
Business Meetings. These monthly
meetings give key business and community leaders a greater understanding of the
National Guard experience and what our service members have to offer the state
work force. These leaders are encouraged
to consider a veteran for any open position, especially those returning from
deployment and those negatively impacted due to economic challenges in their
Our Adjutant General also created a J9
Civil-Military Affairs Directorate. This
Directorate brings all support programs including Family Programs, Yellow
Ribbon Reintegration, Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve, Transition
Assistance Advisors, and Employment Coordination Program under one
supervisor. It affords these programs a
level of “unity of effort” that did not exist when they were working
independently. The J9 Directorate also
serves as the community outreach platform creating new relationships with
community resources and developing increased service member and family access
to these resources.
The Indiana National Guard also participates
in all Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve activities, the Job Connection
Education Program (JCEP), job fairs, town hall meetings, network and social
Funding and Manning are needed to allow these
programs to maintain success. We believe
long term job placement is potentially greater with our holistic approach to
the employment process. Thus there is
greater value to the National Guard work force by including education, skills
training, and improved marketability over just sending in a resume.
Our National Guardsmen have proven
themselves to be ready, reliable, and accessible here at home and
worldwide. Many of them have answered
the call to duty and spent multiple deployments away from their families and
employers. The Indiana National Guard is
working hard to insure these heroes return to a lifestyle and family wellness
deserving of the sacrifices they have made.
The strength of the Indiana National Guard rests in its citizen soldiers
and airmen. The strength of these
citizen soldiers and airmen rests is in their employment and productivity to
their communities. Indiana employers are military and veteran friendly
and many desire to hire our talented, experienced, and reliable service
members. We need to help make that
connection possible. Once again, I thank
you for recognizing this issue and holding this hearing. I look forward to responding to your
Chairman Stutzman, Ranking Member Braley, and
members of the subcommittee:
It’s a great privilege to be here today
representing the 9,400 Soldiers and Airmen of the Iowa National Guard in this
important discussion to maximize employment opportunities for National Guard
members. Thank you for the opportunity
to testify on this topic and provide perspective on the State of Iowa’s initiatives to
address this important issue.
The Iowa Experience
First let me begin by saying that Iowa is unique in many
ways. Thankfully, our state and region
currently have lower unemployment rates than those seen in other parts of the
country. The employers in our state are military
and veteran friendly and we enjoy incredible support from our communities. The level of cooperation between our
employment and education partners, including private sector job creators, Employer
Support of the Guard and Reserve (ESGR), Iowa Work Force Development, Job
Connection Education Program, the Iowa Department of Education, community
colleges, and the Society of Human Resource Managers is outstanding. In addition, Governor Branstad has provided
key leadership to drive employment opportunities for our National Guard
While we remain focused on those with employment
challenges, we are fortunate to have seen tremendous improvement in overall
employment numbers for those who have returned from the state’s largest
deployment since World War II. We
currently estimate, based on data collected during our deployment outprocessing
and reintegration events, that the unemployment rate of our returning warriors
fell from a high of 25 percent in August 2011 to a current rate of just under
10 percent. Though we still have work to
do in this area, we are very happy to see this remarkable improvement among our
I truly believe the success we’ve seen in
this area is a result of steps we took long before the 2,800 members of our brigade
combat team deployed to Afghanistan.
Because of its size and scope, we knew
this deployment would have a significant effect on our state including our families,
our employers and our communities. Through
a series of “Lunch & Learn” engagements, townhall meetings, predeployment
briefings and other public engagements we initiated an information awareness
campaign to build support and deepen understanding between servicemembers and
employers regarding the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Act
(USERRA). In conjunction with ESGR, we
initiated a series of employer bosslifts, bringing employers to our Annual
Training and post deployment training sites to witness firsthand the important
and complex work their Citizen-Soldiers were doing in preparation to deploy
From the beginning, we knew we had to work
together to minimize the disruption and confusion caused by such a significant
deployment on our state’s employers. I
invited Dick Rue, our state ESGR Chair, to stand with me to help answer
questions about the rights and responsibilities of both employers and their Citizen-Soldiers
during our press conference announcing the deployment. We often talk about the service and
sacrifice of our servicemembers and their families. In Iowa,
we know employers also sacrifice when their Citizen-Soldiers deploy and we work
hard to acknowledge that through ESGR engagements and employer recognition
Tool Box Solutions
Though this information campaign was
important we knew it would not be enough based on what other states experienced
following large deployments. Opening up our
“Tool Box” we started looking at ESGR, National Guard Bureau and other state
and federal employment programs designed to assist returning warriors. One of the most important steps we took was
to nest our employment and education counselors in order to emphasize these
areas during the demobilization process.
Working together, they counseled returning warriors on employment and
education programs and benefits available to assist with their transition from
active duty. Thanks to this integration,
an additional 900 of our returning warriors indicated their intent to enroll in
school than were students when the deployment began. We screened members as they out processed and
attended reintegration events to identify those struggling with employment
issues and link them up with assistance through our Jobs Connection Education
Program and online job search and application programs.
Working with our employment partners, we developed
a one-day course designed to assist our unemployed or underemployed
warriors. We help them write resumes and
cover letters that translate their military experience into meaningful civilian
skills. We work on interviewing techniques and skills in order to prepare them
for job fairs and interviews.
Through our partnerships with Iowa
Workforce Development, we placed computers kiosks in our armories to assist our
warriors with finding and applying for job openings. Last October we supported,
with other state and federal agencies, a Veterans’ job fair and began posting
job openings, targeting veterans on websites like the National Guard’s Jobs
Connection Education Program and Employer Partnership.
The Iowa Department of Education and the US
Department of Veterans Affairs have teamed up to develop a program designed to
assist veterans and their dependents by allowing them to learn a trade or skill
through participation in apprenticeship or on-the-job training rather than by
attending academic classes. Veterans and
service members eligible for the GI Bill may use these benefits for
apprenticeship or on-the-job training. This
program allows a military veteran or servicemember to enter into a training contract
for a specific period of time with an employer or union and then after the
training period, the trainee is given job certification or journeyman
status. In most cases, the veteran trainee
receives a salary from the employer or union while participating in the program. As they progress through the program and
their skill level increases, so does their salary. The US Department of
Veterans Affairs (VA) provides monthly GI Bill payments for veterans or service
members in approved programs. This is another
great example of the team approach we have taken in Iowa to assist our returning warriors.
While we still have a lot to do to ensure
employment opportunities for all of our returning warriors, we have made
significant progress. We will continue to
work to enhance our tool kit to help our warriors like working with our state
legislature to assist with legislation that better aligns state licensure
requirements with military specialty skills and working with our employment and
private sector partners to continue to identify job opportunities for our
Our Iowa National Guard Soldiers and Airmen
continue to be “Mission Focused and Warrior Ready”. Over 15,000 Iowa National Guard members have
served and sacrificed in support of ongoing contingency operations here at home
and across the world, many on multiple occasions. They, along with their families and
employers, have borne a heavy burden to help ensure our Nation’s safety and
security. They did so willingly and have
asked little in return. Working
together, at every level, we have a responsibility to assist those struggling
with unemployment issues related to their military service. I greatly appreciate the Subcommittee’s work
on this issue and I look forward to your questions on our efforts to help our
Chairman Stutzman, Ranking
Member Braley, and members of the subcommittee:
It is a
privilege to be here today representing the Iowa ESGR team in this important
discussion to maximize employment opportunities for members of the Guard and
Reserve. Thank you for the opportunity to testify on this topic and provide the
Iowa ESGR perspective and initiatives to address this important issue.
primary mission of Employer Support of the Guard and Reserves (ESGR) is to promote
a culture in which all American employers support and value the military
service of their employees. We
accomplish this through advocating relevant initiatives, recognizing
outstanding support, increasing awareness of the law (USERRA) with our employer
and military outreach programs and resolving conflicts through mediation when
requested. Under our advocate role, in
FY 11 ESGR educated, provided consultation to, and assisted with reemployment
challenges for employers, National Guard members, and Reservists. The
Employment Initiative Program (EIP) was added to our mission in the fall of
2010 and is designed to facilitate employment opportunities for unemployed and
underemployed service members and their spouses. This program is an outgrowth
of our ESGR Employer and Military Outreach Programs and complementary to the
current economic realities in our state and aligned with our President’s New
Veterans Employment Initiative.
essence of my written testimony is that in Iowa,
we feel that we have made positive advancements toward successfully lowering
the rate of unemployment of our National Guard.
This has been accomplished by effective planning to ensure that the
multiple resources in existence to support the National Guard and employment of
National Guard and Reserve members have worked in harmony towards this common
purpose. It is easy for varying
organizations to work independently and thus diminish the opportunity for
success in achieving this important common goal. As the result of our state National Guard
leadership, Major General Orr and his command staff, from the earliest public
notification of pending deployment all related resource partners worked
together to ensure that planning, execution and follow-up was in place to
support the needs of the 2nd Brigade Combat Team.
testimony outlines in more detail the support, resources and access that the
members of the Iowa ESGR volunteer team received during pre-mobilization,
during deployment and during post-mobilization up to and including the
present. The key element of our ability
to achieve success has been communication and cooperation between and among the
multiple resource partners (the Iowa National Guard, Iowa ESGR and Iowa
Employers) and our support organizations (Iowa Workforce Development, DOL-VETS
and Job Connection Education Program (JCEP)).
As per my written testimony, this cooperation allowed for hands-on
personal engagement by the Iowa ESGR team with soldiers for both education and
support purposes. Enhanced communications
and greater efficiencies across agencies yielded Employment Assistance Training
targeting approximately 400 self-identified unemployed service members from the
2nd Brigade Combat Team. Information regarding
upcoming employment events is regularly emailed to these unemployed
individuals, the command and staff of all Iowa National Guard and Reserve
units, all Guard and Reserve members returning from deployments, and Iowa
ESGR’s military outreach volunteers. Additionally, the support received by all
the organizations I just mentioned was effectively channeled towards Iowa employers through the pre, during and post
mobilization timeframe via multiple events and touch points.
the Employment Initiative Program, our associated partnerships within the state
and the continued support of the Iowa National Guard leadership, Iowa ESGR is
well prepared to continue our history of assisting service members and
employers to connect more effectively than ever before.
Iowa ESGR and our Partners
The primary mission of Employer Support of the
Guard and Reserves (ESGR) is to promote a culture in which all American
employers support and value the military service of their employees. We accomplish this through advocating
relevant initiatives, recognizing outstanding support, increasing awareness of
the law (USERRA) with our employer and military outreach programs and resolving
conflicts through mediation when requested.
Under our advocate role, in FY 11 ESGR educated, provided consultation
to, and assisted with reemployment challenges for employers, National Guard
members, and Reservists. The Employment Initiative Program (EIP) was added to
our mission in the fall of 2010 and is designed to facilitate employment
opportunities for unemployed and underemployed service members and their
spouses. This program is an outgrowth of our ESGR Employer and Military
Outreach Programs and complementary to the current economic realities in our
state and aligned with our President’s New Veterans Employment Initiative.
focus my comments of the Iowa ESGR support directed primarily towards the Iowa
Army National Guard’s 2nd Brigade Combat Team’s recent deployment
and return to Iowa in three parts: Pre-mobilization, mobilization, and post
Pre-mobilizaton: Prior to the 2nd Brigade Combat
Team (2BCT) leaving the state the National Guard provided work space for our
staff to set up computer stations during all pre-mobilization briefing events.
ESGR was given the opportunity to partner with the Department of Labor VETS
providing a USERRA and ESGR briefing to all service members to ensure that they
were aware of their rights and responsibilities with regard to employment and
re-employment. Additionally, the computer work stations provided every soldier
the opportunity to update their Civilian Employment Information (CEI) with ESGR
staff there to assist with the sometimes difficult navigation of the website;
this ensured that we, Iowa ESGR, had the most current possible information with
regard to our employer communication focus. The National Guard made this
station a requirement to ensure that this DoD requirement was accurately
completed prior to their deployment. We believe the approach to this data
collection process greatly contributed to improved accuracy of the
pre-mobilization information regarding employment status.
effort to be proactive, ESGR requested the CEI data information “by unit” to
better determine the number of soldiers that were not employed and also
identify those that were students. As the 2 BCT prepared for deployment, the
Iowa economy continued in an economic downturn and there was a National
emphasis on the unemployment status of our troops. The CEI report from December
2010 showed that 630 soldiers considered themselves “not employed” and 267 as
“students”. With these numbers in mind, Iowa ESGR and the Iowa National Guard
began to jointly discuss and develop an appropriate plan to assist these
members upon their return. Proactive
planning was our plan for success.
Mobilization: Iowa ESGR has hosted regular employer
outreach events statewide for several years; however during mobilization, with
the current emphasis on employment needs of our Reserve Component members,
these events were revised to emphasize re-employment rights and employment
opportunities. Iowa ESGR partnered with
DOL-VETS on the planning and facilitation of several events with the primary
focus around educating employers on USERRA and to provide awareness of
resources like ESGR and DOL-VETS, which are available to employers and not just
for the benefit of service members. Additionally, ESGR provided an overview of
the unemployment outlook for our returning National Guardsmen and encouraged
employers to actively hire these qualified individuals upon their return. Once engaged, employers began sending their
job opportunities to ESGR and several employers provided volunteer HR representatives
for the Employment Assistance Training (EAT) events that Iowa ESGR subsequently
conducted in coordination with DOL-VETS and Iowa Workforce Development.
Post-mobilization: In July 2011 the Iowa ESGR staff, as
requested by the Iowa National Guard, traveled to Fort McCoy, Wisconsin as the 2
BCT transitioned from their overseas deployment back to the United States. The
purpose of ESGR’s presence was to provide a refresher briefing to all troops on
USERRA as well as to facilitate the collection of survey data regarding
employment status. Of particular interest was the unemployment and student
status change’s that occurred during the deployment. ESGR and the Iowa National
Guard partnered together in developing a survey to capture up-to-date
information on the 2 BCT return. ESGR collected, tabulated and presented the
survey results to the Iowa Guard Command.
the 90-day post mobilization events, the Iowa National Guard again provided
work space to us and required all troops to visit the ESGR station where they
updated the Civilian Employment Information (CEI) data previously collected. It
was clear upon review of the collection results that our Brigade returnees had
success finding jobs within their communities.
Statistics have not been gathered from other elements of the Iowa
National Guard or other service branches in the state, leaving a large portion
of the Guard and Reserves population with an unknown employment status at this
Employment Assistance Training (EAT) was created through a partnership with the
Iowa ESGR, DOL-VETS, and Iowa Workforce Development as a one day training
event. These workshops were designed to teach job search skills to job seekers.
Topics included the Transition Assistance Program (TAP), resume’ writing, job
interview skills training, and online job search techniques. Additionally,
civilian human resource representatives volunteered to provide constructive
critiques on resumés and provided practice interviews for participants with
immediate feedback of their interview skills. The Society of Human Resource
Managers (SHRM) and the Employers Council of Iowa supported the training events
by providing many of the HR volunteers. The Iowa National Guard and Reserves
also supported this effort by ensuring that their members were aware of the
program and encouraged their participation. Since September 2011, ESGR and Iowa
Workforce Development have offered seven Employment Assistance Training events
in communities identified as having the highest number of unemployed Guard
members. These locations were selected based on the survey results acquired in
July during soldier out-processing at Ft. McCoy, WI. Unfortunately only three of the seven events
took place, as the remaining 4 were canceled due to low RSVP numbers. Individuals interested in attending the
cancelled sessions were given the option to schedule individual sessions with
the local Veterans Representatives at Iowa Workforce Development. One possible cause of the low participation
may be scheduling the employment events too soon after their return home. After deployment, these soldiers were not in
a duty status and may have simply wanted a break from the military or had made
a decision to enroll in college or other skilled trade courses. They may have also have just felt that they
were not ready to think about finding employment while decompressing after a
ESGR is currently working with Iowa National Guard and Reserve units to promote
job training events and job fair opportunities throughout the state. ESGR volunteers continue to brief Guard and
Reserve members and their families regarding job search opportunities, training
events and USERRA during Yellow Ribbon post-mobilization events (reintegration
briefings and activities) and during regular unit annual briefings as part of
our Military Outreach program. Information regarding upcoming employment events
is regularly emailed to all of the 400 unemployed individuals currently
identified. We also ensure that the
employment event information is disseminated throughout the command and staff
of all Iowa National Guard and Reserve units, to all Guard and Reserve members
returning from deployments, and to all of our ESGR military outreach volunteers
who regularly visit all units throughout the state.
contacted by Guardsmen or Reservists regarding employment opportunities, ESGR
staff regularly refers individuals to the Employer Partnership of the Armed
Forces website, Yellow Ribbon’s Hero 2 Hired website, and local employment
coaches who offer free services to members of the Reserve Components and
Veterans. Additionally, Iowa ESGR developed and maintains a strong relationship
with the Iowa Workforce Development and the Job Connections Education Program
(JCEP) staff and regularly refers job seekers to their resources.
ESGR, within the state of Iowa and throughout
the Nation, has a long and successful history of helping National Guard and
Reserve Service members and their employers to better understand their rights
and responsibilities under the Uniform Services Employment and Reemployment
Rights Act (USERRA). Our Iowa National Guard and Reserve commands have
demonstrated tremendous support for successful conduct of our mission and I
wish to publically thank them, as it takes a team to win and they have
certainly been team players with Iowa ESGR and all supporting agencies within
our state. Now, with the Employment
Initiative Program and associated partnerships, we are well prepared to
continue our history of assisting service members and employers to connect more
effectively than ever before.
Chairman Stutzman, Ranking Member Braley, and members of the committee, thank you for your invitation to participate in this hearing and share what we in Reserve Affairs have been doing in support of RC service members, their families and their employers. My full testimony, submitted for the record, covers four major areas:
First, the latest statistics on the troubling rate of unemployment among Reserve Component service members. The Bureau of Labor Statistics report that the December 2011 unemployment rate among all Post-9/11 veterans is at 13.1% and the most recent Status of Forces survey (January 2011), junior enlisted service members in the Reserve Components self-reported their unemployment rate at 23%. With very limited data on the unemployment rates of Guard and Reserve members, we believe more analysis is required to understand the actual unemployment rate, particularly for the 18-24 year old population. Let me assure you that we in the office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs view civilian employment as an important piece of a Reserve Component service member’s readiness, and see the current high rate of unemployment as a threat to the readiness of our force. I look forward to sharing with you the ways in which we are addressing this problem.
Secondly, the type of transition assistance that is provided to these service members. This is primarily provided by the Yellow Ribbon Reintegration Program, a Congressionally initiated program that connects National Guard and Reserve service members and their families with resources throughout the deployment cycle. The types of information that these events give access to are health care, financial, and legal benefits, as well as education and training opportunities.Also, Yellow Ribbon post deployment training events provide employment services to service members.
Third, the efforts of the Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve (ESGR) office and our 4,800 volunteers nationwide to help educate both members of the Guard and Reserve and employers about the rights afforded to service members under the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act (USERRA). In Fiscal Year 2011, ESGR saw successes such as 45,150 signed statements of support from employers across the country; resolving 79.8% of the 2,884 USERRA cases referred to us; and educating nearly 500,000 service members regarding their rights and responsibilities under USERRA.
Finally, my testimony covers the initiatives taken by the Department of Defense to reduce unemployment rates among the Reserve Components and minimize underemployment. It is important to note that this is a unique population, as these service members are not retiring or separating from service. They are still continuing to serve and are seeking employers who are willing to facilitate their continued participation in our military. Military members must serve 180 continuous days on active duty to receive “Veteran” status. By this standard, certain Reserve Component members may be statutorily ineligible to receive services from DOL-VETS or the VA. Our goal is to ensure these service members still receive specialized assistance. ESGR and YRRP have partnered under the umbrella of the Employment Initiative Program addressing employment issues across the country, while working with the US Chamber of Commerce to execute nearly 70 mega-hiring fairs across the country.
In December 2011, OSD-Reserve Affairs launched “Hero2Hired”, better known as H2H. H2H is a comprehensive, multi-faceted program targeted to support Reserve Component service members and help them connect to and find jobs with military-friendly companies that seek employees with specific training and skills. Through an electronic job and career web platform, mobile applications and Facebook integration, virtual and physical career fairs, and a national marketing and management effort, H2H can reduce the DoD’s unemployment benefits cost as well as the stress and financial hardships faced by unemployed Reserve Component service members and their families.
Together, Yellow Ribbon and ESGR are delivering meaningful services to assist Reserve Component service members’ transition into the civilian workforce, providing full spectrum assistance by assisting with the employment search via H2H, and continuing the support by promoting positive employer relations through USERRA education. We should anticipate that both ESGR and Yellow Ribbon will continue to play a critical role with the enhanced access to Reserve Component service members as articulated in Title 10 USC Sec 12304. With the changes to the law in the last National Defense Authorization Act, we anticipate continued utilization of the Reserve Components, the desire of these Servicemen and women to participate, and the need to continue providing support to service members, their families and their civilian employers.
In closing, thank you for this opportunity to testify on behalf of everyone that comprises the Family and Employer Programs and Policy Team and most of all, ESGR’s more than 4,800 volunteers located in all 50 States, Washington, D.C., Guam, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands, and thank you for your continued support of the Reserve Components.
We ask so much of these men and women: to put their careers on hold, leave their loved ones behind and embark on dangerous missions across the world. Yet the men and women that serve in America’s active, National Guard, and Reserve forces do so willingly and without hesitation. They selflessly serve their country and are a shining example of America at its best as President Obama remarked in his recent State of the Union address. At the Department of Labor (DOL or Department), we strive to honor their contributions every day. We do this by putting the full weight of our department behind programs to ensure rewarding careers are waiting for them when they come home. We must serve our returning Service Members and Veterans as well as they have served us.
That’s especially true now that the Iraq war has officially ended and we are winding down our presence in Afghanistan. Our returning Service Members deserve a hero’s welcome and a chance to utilize their unique skills to help rebuild our economy. Yet they often face a difficult transition back to civilian life. This is particularly true for the men and women of our National Guard and Reserve forces who are often unintentionally overlooked or underserved. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), in 2010, recent Veterans who served during the post9/11 era had an unemployment rate of 11.5 percent, compared to a 9.4 percent rate among civilian non-veterans. Unemployment rates were particularly high among recent Veterans who have served or continue to serve our nation in the National Guard and Reserve forces. These Veterans had an unemployment rate of 14 percent in July 2010, almost five points above the civilian unemployment rate.
Our Nation has a sacred obligation to help these men and women overcome unemployment and get the good jobs and benefits that they’ve earned. We at DOL believe that this obligation includes providing them with the opportunity to utilize their unique skills to help rebuild our Nation’s economy. Through the Veterans’ Employment and Training Service (VETS), we provide Veterans and transitioning Service Members with the resources and services to succeed in the workforce by maximizing their employment opportunities, protecting their employment rights, and meeting labor market demands with qualified Veterans.
I would like to begin by discussing the work we are doing to decrease the unemployment rate for our Veterans, National Guard and Reservists, focusing on the issues you asked me to address, including the Department’s efforts to decrease the rate of unemployment, the need for additional employment services to areas of high unemployment among members of the Active and Reserve Components, and DOL’s efforts to educate about and enforce the provisions of the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act (USERRA).
Jobs for Veterans State Grants Program
The U.S. military services transition approximately 160,000 active duty Service Members and demobilize approximately 95,000 Reserve and National Guard Service Members annually. Transition assistance and employment services for Veterans are essential to help our service men and women reintegrate into the civilian labor force.
One of the Department’s programs aimed at meeting this need and decreasing the rate of unemployment among Veterans is the Jobs for Veterans State Grants (JVSG) program. Through JVSG, VETS provides funds for two types of Veterans’ employment specialist positions in the states: (1) the Disabled Veterans’ Outreach Program (DVOP) and (2) the Local Veterans’ Employment Representatives (LVER) program. DVOP specialists provide outreach services and intensive employment assistance to meet the employment needs of eligible Veterans. LVER staff conducts outreach to employers and engages in advocacy efforts with hiring executives to increase employment opportunities for Veterans, encourages the hiring of disabled Veterans, and generally assists Veterans to gain and retain employment. These services are provided primarily through nearly 3,000 One-Stop Career Centers across the country and benefit both the active and Reserve Components. Last year, the JVSG provided services to nearly 589,000 Veterans, and 201,000 Veterans found jobs
Transition Assistance Program (TAP)
Another important VETS program is the Transition Assistance Program (TAP), which provides Employment Workshops and direct services for separating Service Members, including members of the National Guard and Reserve. TAP is an interagency program delivered via a partnership involving the Departments of Defense, Labor, Veterans Affairs, and Homeland Security. As part of this effort, VETS provides an Employment Workshop, which is a comprehensive two and a half day program during which participants are provided relevant skills and information, such as job search techniques, career decision-making processes, and current labor market conditions.
As you know, VETS is currently in the process of redesigning and transforming the Employment Workshop, the first significant redesign of the program in 19 years. The redesign, which is based on established best practices in career transition, will create experiential, effective, and enduring solutions for a successful transition from military to civilian life and employment. Among other things, the redesign will provide career readiness assessments to help returning Service Members translate their military experience into civilian job qualifications. Currently, VETS uses a mix of contractors, VETS Federal staff, Disabled Veterans Outreach Program (DVOP) specialists, and Local Veterans Employment Representatives (LVERs) as TAP facilitators. In the future, however, VETS will transition to all skilled contract facilitators, with DVOPs continuing their involvement in the workshops as subject matter advisors. In FY 2011, over 144,000 transitioning Service Members and spouses attended a TAP Employment Workshop at one of 272 locations world-wide. Of that number of attendees, 2,249 were Guard and Reservists.
With 95,000 Guard and Reserve members demobilizing each year, VETS has taken steps to provide them with transition assistance and employment services in the event they are not located near any of the 272 locations where TAP is normally provided. For example, we have organized the regular two and half day Employment Workshop into separate modules, including the program’s three core components (overview of USERRA rights, current labor market information, and explaining the roles of DVOPs and LVERs at One-Stop Career Centers), along with other basic courses such as resume writing and interview techniques. We often provide the three core components, and any additional modules, to Guard and Reserve units at the unit commander’s request. Further, we have committed to provide any requested TAP modules at the 30, 60, and 90-day Yellow Ribbon Reintegration programs, a Department of Defense effort to promote the well-being of National Guard and Reserve members, their families and communities, by connecting them with resources throughout the deployment cycle.
DOL is also working in partnership with the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans’ Affairs on the “Guard Apprentice Program Initiative,” which continues to build relationships with employers and colleges to facilitate civilian apprenticeship and employment opportunities for National Guard and other Reserve Component members.
Our State Directors for Veterans’ Employment and Training (DVETS) are part of the planning process when units in their area demobilize. They work with the stay-behind element of the unit and coordinate requested support. Let me share with you a few examples:
VETS and the Oregon Employment Department (OED) are partnering with the Oregon National Guard Yellow Ribbon Reintegration and Joint Transition Assistance Program (JTAP) staff to jointly address the employment needs of returning National Guard and Reservists. During the Oregon LVER/DVOP training conference in October 2011, OED hosted a joint training session to determine how we will partner together statewide to ensure Veterans are aware of the employment services available to them. This past year, the Oregon Army National Guard (3-116 Cav) deployed to Iraq in support of Operation New Dawn. While in-country, the military unit commander stressed the importance of addressing Service Members’ future employment needs and took the initiative to conduct employment status surveys of all deployed personnel. This employment information was shared with Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve (ESGR), Yellow Ribbon JTAP and Oregon Employment Department Management, including LVERs, and used to coordinate “Skype employment interviews” with local employers, such as Boise Cascade. Upon return from deployment and at the 60 day interval, the OED provided aggregate data to the JTAP on the number of Guard and Reservists who found employment to the JTAP. Initial estimates found that of the original 113 soldiers who registered for employment in late May while deployed in Iraq, 51 have found jobs since their release from military duty. This does not account for the 26 soldiers who registered but do not live in the state.
Congressman Walz mentioned the 34th Infantry Division “Red Bull” Brigade Combat Team (BCT) Project in Minnesota during our last hearing in December. This project intends to hire 5 Veteran staff (2 LVER & 3 DVOP) to work specifically with this BCT. One LVER has already been hired and the remaining staff will be hired in April with the anticipated return of the BCT being May of 2012. In partnership with ESGR, pre-deployment interviews were held with each Service Member to identify employment and training needs. Five hundred and fifty Service Members are either unemployed or under employed. A referral process is being developed to get these Service Members the appropriate employment assistance
immediately upon their return.
In June 2010, Tennessee’s DOL (TNDOL) started working with the Tennessee ESGR Chair to help the high number of unemployed Veterans returning from deployments. It was discovered that most of the unemployed Service Members were just out of high school or just graduating college and returning from their first deployment and had never held a traditional job. As a result, a committee of individuals was formed from different agencies, including the VA, USDOL, TNDOL, ESGR, Yellow Ribbon, TN National Guard Command Staff and a few others. The committee met several times and decided to try a TAP employment workshop. The first workshop was 2 days and was facilitated by contract facilitators. The workshop was open first and foremost to unemployed soldiers and their spouses and Service Members were put on orders to help with the cost of travel. After holding several workshops and a committee meeting, the committee decided to go to the traditional 2½ day employment workshop but also added a job fair at the end of each TAP workshop. Only employers with current openings who were looking to fill them were invited to the job fairs. To date, the Tennessee ESGR has hosted 18 workshops for 415 participants. Today that committee has grown to include other reserve units, and Commanders are calling asking for weekend drill TAP workshops for their unemployed soldiers.
Similar efforts are happening across the country. VETS State Directors (DVETS) work closely with the JVSG staff and partner with several other organizations to coordinate as many services to the Veterans and Reserve components as possible in their state. In Kentucky, for example, LVERs and DVOPs are fully integrated into Yellow Ribbon demobilization events across the Commonwealth, providing local labor market information and general One-Stop Career Center employment services. There is also direct coordination between the transition representatives at Camp Atterbury, Indiana - the local National Guard and Reserve demobilization point - where listings of individuals transitioning out and to Kentucky are provided to the Veterans Program Coordinator, who coordinates contact with a local LVER or DVOP. Through coordination with the Kentucky Guard command, LVERs and DVOPs have contacted local Guard units in their respective areas to offer direct employment assistance, either during normal Career Center business hours or, if necessary and more beneficial for all involved, during weekend drills.
To compliment our core programs and services, we are involved with a few other initiatives that provide additional employment resources in an effort to decrease the rate of unemployment of Veterans of the active and Reserve Components.
Veterans Jobs Bank
On November 7, 2011, President Obama announced a new Veterans Job Bank at www.nrd.gov, the National Resource Directory website. This job bank, a partnership among the Departments of Defense, Labor, and Veterans Affairs, is an easy-to-use tool that enables Veterans to find job postings from companies that are looking to hire them. It already searches nearly one million job postings and is growing. In a few easy steps, companies can make sure the job postings on their own websites are part of this Veterans Job Bank.
The Gold Card
Post-9/11 Veterans can now go to the DOL website and download a Gold Card, which provides them six months of intensive job counseling and personalized case management services at one of the Labor Department’s 3,000 One-Stop Career Center locations across the country. These services include career assessments, direct referrals to open jobs, interview coaching, resume assistance and training referrals.
My Next Move for Veterans
The Labor Department also launched a new website called My Next Move for Veterans. It can be accessed at www.dol.gov/vets. This website allows our Veterans to enter their military occupation code and discover civilian jobs where their skills translate. They can browse more than 900 career options. The benefit of these online tools is they can be accessed from just about anywhere.
We are also working with the private sector to increase the employment of our Veterans and returning Service Members. The first of these initiatives is our work with the US Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber, in partnership with VETS and ESGR, will have conducted 100 hiring fairs exclusively for Veterans, transitioning Service Members and their spouses between March 2011 and March 2012. Through this partnership, the Chamber and its affiliates secure the participation of employers, while the VETS team and ESGR focus on participation by Veterans, transitioning Service Members, and their spouses. The Chamber hiring fairs have hosted more than 84,000 Veterans and military spouses and given them the opportunity to meet with over 4,300 different employers. As a result, the effort has helped more than 7,300 Veterans and military spouses and 60 wounded warriors find
Additionally, in an initiative sponsored by Microsoft, DOL has facilitated Microsoft’s contact with communities across the Seattle, Washington; San Diego, California; Houston, Texas; Northern Virginia; and Jacksonville, Florida regions, to provide Veterans with vouchers for no-cost training that can lead to important industry recognized credentials. Each area’s Workforce Investment Board will receive 1,000 vouchers per year for two years, totaling 10,000 vouchers, and will distribute them through the One Stop Career Centers.
Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act (USERRA)
The last piece I want to discuss is DOL’s efforts to educate about and enforce the provisions of the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act (USERRA). VETS’ enforcement programs investigate complaints filed by Veterans and other protected individuals under USERRA, assess complaints alleging violation of statutes requiring Veterans’ preference in Federal hiring, and implement and collect information regarding Veteran employment by Federal contractors.
In addition to enforcing these rights, we do what we can to educate employers, as well as Veterans, Guard, and Reservists, on USERRA. VETS has long recognized the value of outreach and education as a means for avoiding USERRA disputes. Through the course of our history administering the statute, we have found that the vast majority of employers seek to comply with the law and remain highly supportive of our service men and women despite challenges imposed through multiple and repeated deployments. To that end, VETS has engaged in an aggressive public outreach campaign, aimed not only at our service men and women but to employers, attorneys, and human resources professionals as well.
In that regard, VETS’ outreach to the employer community begins with individual responses to technical assistance requests, which has proven highly effective in resolving disputes before formal complaints are filed. VETS staff has also sought out and given USERRA briefings to a large number of employer groups, professional human resources associations, State bar associations, the American Bar Association, Chambers of Commerce, law schools, and a host of other groups. In addition, VETS has developed online educational tools such as: an interactive USERRA elaws Advisor for both employers and employees that detail the roles and responsibilities for each under the law; Frequently Asked Questions; and USERRA 101 and 102 courses, which are designed to address the more commonly encountered situations and challenges facing employers. Perhaps most importantly, when conducting briefings and providing technical assistance in either a group or individual setting, VETS staff always provide direct contact information to reassure the public that help is just an e-mail or telephone call away.
For example, in the Chairman’s state of Indiana, VETS provides workshops on USERRA for Service Members stationed at the Camp Atterbury Joint Maneuver Training Center, including members of the Judge Advocate General’s Office. And similarly in Iowa, the Ranking Member’s home state, VETS and the Iowa Workforce Development (IWD) have undertaken numerous initiatives to assist recently returning Veterans and employers. The IWD Veterans Program partners with ESGR at their Lunch and Learn events for employers across the state. At these events, VETS and ESGR personnel teach employers about USERRA and how to deal with Veteran employment issues. In addition, IWD Veterans Program personnel train the employers on why they should consider hiring Veterans, how to market their jobs to Veterans, how to interpret Veteran résumés and what to expect from Veteran job applicants.
VETS is fully committed to fulfilling our mission. And, as I hope my examples, we are doing so through the combined efforts of all of the witnesses today as well as others. We pledge to you and to them to continue to work with them to improve the services and programs we provide.
Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member Braley, Members of the Committee, this concludes my statement. Thank you again for the opportunity to testify today. I would be pleased to answer any questions you may have.
MATERIAL SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD
On behalf of our members, the Reserve Officers and the Reserve
Enlisted Associations thank the committee for the opportunity to submit
testimony on veteran and National Guard employment issues. ROA and REA applaud
the ongoing efforts by Congress to address employment problems faced by so many
veterans and service members.
As contingency operations continue with ongoing mobilizations and
deployments, many of these outstanding citizen soldiers, sailors, airmen,
Marines, and Coast Guardsmen have put their civilian careers on hold while they
serve their country in harm’s way. They share the same risks as their
counterparts in the Active Components. Since 9/11, more than 825,000 Reservists
and Guardsmen have been mobilized. More than 275,000 have been mobilized two or
more times. The United States is creating a new generation of combat veterans
that come from its Reserve Components (RC). It is important, therefore, that we
don’t squander this valuable resource of experience, nor ignore the benefits
that they are entitled to because of their selfless service to their country.
ROA would like to
thank the committee and staff for making improvements to the Post 9/11 GI Bill,
enhancing benefits for caregivers, and much more.
Title 14 eligibility for the post–9/11 GI Bill.
GI Bill earned benefit from being considered income in need-based aid
a standard nationwide payment system for private schools.
qualification basis for Yellow Ribbon Program, rather than first-come
Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act (USERRA) and
Servicemembers Civil Relief Act (SCRA) protections for mobilized Guard
and Reserve students, granting academic leaves of absence, protecting
academic standing, and guaranteeing refunds.
Montgomery GI Bill–Selected Reserve (MGIB–SR) to 47 percent of
four-year reenlistment contracts to qualify for MGIB–SR.
to enact tax credits for health care and differential pay expenses for
deployed Reserve Component employees.
tax credits to offset costs for temporary replacements of deployed Reserve
tax credits to employers who hire service members who served in the Global
War on Terrorism.
delays or exemptions while mobilized of regularly scheduled mandatory
continuing education and licensing/certification/promotion exams.
to support a law center dedicated to USERRA/SCRA problems of deployed
Active and Reserve service members.
years of service, rather than days of active duty, for disability retired
pay under section 12732 of U.S.Code Title 10 for Reserve Component members
wounded or injured in combat.
veterans preference to those Reserve Component members who have completed
20 years in good standing, or
any member who has served under honorable conditions and has received a
DD-214 to qualify for veteran status.
permanent Reserve Component Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) Home Loan
Guarantees expiring in October 2012.
the 3/4 percent fee differential between Active Component and Reserve
Component programs on VA home loans.
burial eligibility for deceased gray-area retirees at Arlington National
to seek timely and comprehensive implementation of concurrent receipt for
disabled receiving retired pay and VA disability compensation.
and REA are grateful to Congress for the passage of the VOW to Hire Heros Act.
and service members are provided protections through the National Committee for
Support of the Guard and Reserve (ESGR), the Uniformed Services Employment and
Rights Act (USERRA), and the Servicemembers' Civil Relief Act (SCRA).
the protections afforded veterans and service members and antidiscrimination
laws, it is not unusual for members to lose their jobs due to time spent away
while deployed. Sometimes this is because employers go out of business, but
more often, Reservists and Guardsmen are laid off because it costs employers
money, time, and effort to reintroduce the employee to the company.
most recent national example is in the case of Straub vs. Proctor Hospital in
which Army Reservist Vincent Straub was fired by Proctor Hospital of Peoria due
to his service requirements. The Supreme Court upheld Straub’s rights under
The Army Reserve under Lieutenant
General Jack Stultz initiated the Employer
Program with civilian employers that is an initiative designed to formalize the
relationship between the Reserve and the private sector, sharing common goals
of strengthening the community, supporting RC service members and families, and
maintaining a strong economy. Over 1,000 companies are currently in various
preliminary stages of implementing partnership programs. This sets a model for
businesses to hire veterans. The program has its own website
http://www.employerpartnership.org/ and provides job search, a resume builder,
professional staff support, a list of employer partners and career resources.
This program has now been broadened to the U.S. Army.
and Predictable: Employers need
increased notification time in order to better support their personnel. The
military services and components should provide greater notice of deployments
to RC members, so that they, as well as their families and their employers, can
better prepare. Collaboration between industry and the military needs to occur
as the military considers deployment cycle models so that the nation’s defense
needs are met but its industrial base is not compromised.
care plans should be developed that will assist with mitigation strategies for
dealing with the civilian workload during the absence of the service member
employee and lay out how the employer and employee would remain in contact
throughout the deployment.
The Commission on the National Guard
and Reserve suggested key recommendations included expansion of the Employer
Support of the Guard and Reserve (ESGR) committee to be able to work new
employment as well as reemployment opportunities, the creation of an employer
advisory council, and regular surveys to determine employer interests and concerns
over reemployment of Guard and Reserve members. Unfortunately, the budget
recommendation is to reduce ESGR’s budget.
as an employee/employer benefit: An
employer incentive is when an employee brings importable health care such as
TRICARE, reducing the costs for the employer. Guard and Reserve members as well
as military retirees should be permitted to tout the availability of TRICARE as
an employee asset, and permit employers to provide alternative benefits in lieu
of health care.
option is to fully or partially offsetting employer costs for health care
payments for Guard and Reserve members who are employed, especially when
companies continue civilian health insurance for service members and or their
families during a deployment. DoD should provide employers – especially small
businesses – with incentives such as cash stipends to help offset the cost of
health care for Reservists up to the amount DoD is paying for TRICARE, with the
understanding that the stipend is tied to reemployment guarantees upon the
serving members return.
incentives: Incentives of various
types would serve to mitigate burdens and encourage business to both hire and
retain Reservists and veterans. A variety of tax credits could be enacted
providing such credit at the beginning of a period of mobilization or perhaps
even a direct subsidy for costs related to a mobilization such as the hiring
and training of new employees. Employers felt strongly that, especially for
small businesses, incentives that arrive at the end of the tax year do not
mitigate the costs incurred during the deployment period. Also
cross-licensing/credentialing would ease the burden of having to acquire new
licenses/credentials in the private sector after having gained them during their
military service, and vice versa.
and REA support the concept of HR.802 introduced
by Ranking Member Bob Filner because it would recognize employers of veterans,
but strongly believe that it should be amended to include employers of
Guardsmen and Reservists.
not under this committee’s jurisdiction we hope that the House Veterans’
Affairs Committee can support specific tax incentives to hire returning
veterans and Guard and Reserve members.
and REA support HR.865 Veterans Employment Transition Act of 2011, introduced by Rep. Tim Walz and referred to the HASC,
that would extend work opportunity credit to certain recently discharged
and REA further recommend the following:
and REA encourages a rapid implementation of certifications or a form that
would inform employers of skills potential veteran and service member employees
gained through their military service.
and REA supports initiatives to provide small business owners with protections
for their businesses to be sustained while on deployment, for example a
potential program in which a trained substitute is made available to run the
business while the member is out country. Further SCRA protection on equipment
leases should be included in the law.
Post 9/11 GI Bill
and REA support Chairman Jeff Miller’s bill HR.1383 The Restoring the GI
Fairness Act of 2011 which
would grandfather in current students who applied for benefits of the Post 9/11
GI Bill under a different set of rules.
improves a veteran’s chance for employment, and many returning combat veterans
seek a change in the life paths. There is still room for more improvement in
the Post-9/11 I Bill that in the long run can make the program more effective
and increase utilization. For example, while Title 32 AGR was included for
eligibility while Title 14 Coast Guard Reserve was left out.
issues that student veterans have raised to ROA and that we recommend include
Require timely application and submission
of documentation by the institution to the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (VA)
and vice versa.
Establish dedicated and
well-trained officers for student veterans to speak with via the call center.
Better define the Yellow Ribbon
Program to determine what ‘first come, first serve’ means in context of
institutions (such as registration time, enrollment, and official enrollment).
Allow institutions to give more
funds to students with stronger merit and need-base under the Yellow Ribbon
Align the VA’s work-study program
for students to work as guidance officers at their institutions to aid other
student veterans, to be matched up with institution’s academic calendar.
Safeguard and implement a long
term plan for sustaining the Post 9/11 GI Bill.
o Ensure transferability benefits are protected.
o Guarantee that any future changes to the program that
could have negative effects on benefits will grandfather in current
Pass legislation to disallow
institutions including benefits in need-based aid formulations.
o Remove the requirement to have a parental signature.
o Establish parity between FAFSA disclosure exclusion
over veterans’ educational and non-educational benefits to CSS and all
institutions of higher learning.
of higher learning across the nation that provide need-based aid often require
students to file a Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA) form and a
College Scholarship Service/Financial Aid Profile (CSS) form administered by
the College Board.
an institution abides by the federal methodology of determining aid levels it
uses the FAFSA form and guidelines, but an institution may use an institution
methodology (IM) formulated by CSS. By law under the Higher Education
Opportunity Act of 1965 (HEA), FAFSA’s current need analysis formula, while
including some sources of untaxed income, excludes veteran’s educational
benefits and welfare benefits.
the other hand, CSS require military service members to disclose their earned
educational benefits for the formulation of their need-based aid levels. That
disclosure of veterans’ educational benefits on the CSS is then often weighed
by those institutions that use an IM in the same manner of other traditional
untaxed income items such as child support or a contribution from a relative,
in the formulation of their aid package.
these earned-benefits on the CSS profile serves to bring down service members’
financial need level, thus increasing the cost out of pocket, by improperly
treating earned benefits as equivalent in nature and function as untaxed income
items. Since CSS is not restricted from asking for disclosure of the benefits,
institutions use the CSS to add these earned benefits into the aid formulation,
shirking FAFSA’s and the HEA’s intentions.
and REA urge Congress to bar institutions of higher learning from considering
veterans’ educational benefits in need-based aid calculations and apply the
Opportunity Act to all financial aid practices of institutions of higher learning.
many may gain advantages under the changes inlaw, others are actually
negatively affected. For example ROA has received concerning calls and emailsfrom members that feel forsaken as such members signed commitments based on
the benefits which theynow feel are reduced.
of the most significant problems that link all issues pertaining to the Post
9/11 GI Bill is the lack ofeffectively trained customer service
representatives. One of the many examples came from two of ourmembers
that are married, both serving in a Reserve Component. They wanted to transfer
their benefits totheir children, but were told that only one parent can
register the children in the DEERS system andtherefore only one of the
parents could transfer the benefits.
going through a couple back channelsROA found out that the couple
needed to go to a DEERS office and request an ‘administrative’ accountfor
the purposes of transferring benefits.
are many stories similar to this one which causes unnecessary stress on the
families, some of whom give into the system and give up the benefit because
either they are given incorrect and/or incomplete information or the hassles
involved are not deemed worthwhile.
is absolutely necessary that our service members, veterans and families have
the ability to access accurate and timely information.
and REA urge Congress to enforce the VA to properly and effectively train their personnel.
Montgomery GI Bill
assist in recruiting efforts for the Marine Corps Reserve and the other
uniformed services, ROA and REA urge Congress to reduce the obligation period
to qualify for Montgomery “GI” Bill-Selected Reserve (MGIB-SR) (Section 1606)
from six years in the Selected Reserve to four years in the Selected Reserve
plus four years in the Individual Ready Reserve, thereby remaining a
mobilization asset for eight years.
of funding constraints, no Reserve Component member will be guaranteed a full
career without some period in a non-pay status. BRAC realignments are also
restructuring the RC force and reducing available paid billets. Whether
attached to a volunteer unit or as an individual mobilization augmentee, this
status represents periods of drilling without pay. MGIB-SR eligibility should
extend for 10 years beyond separation or transfer from a paid billet.
and REA appreciate the opportunity to submit this statement, and we reiterate
our profound gratitude for the progress achieved by this committee such as
providing a GI Bill for the 21st Century and advanced funding for the VA.
and REA look forward to working with the House Veterans’ Affairs Committee,
where we can present solutions to these and other issues, and offer our
support, and hope in the future of an opportunity to discuss these issues in
and REA encourage this Committee to utilize the Service Members Law Center and
the Defense Education Forum and reports, both valuable assets, and to share it
with your constituents and other Congressional members.