STATEMENT OF
JACK McCOY
DIRECTOR, EDUCATION SERVICE
DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS
BEFORE THE HOUSE VETERANS’ AFFAIRS
SUBCOMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY
May 25, 2005
Good afternoon Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee:
Thank you for inviting me here today to present the Administration’s
views on three bills that would affect Department of Veterans Affairs
(VA) programs providing veterans’ benefits and services. Accompanying me
today is Mr. Dean Gallin, Deputy Assistant General Counsel.
H.R. 717
Additional Accelerated Payments of Educational Assistance Under the
Montgomery GI Bill
Mr. Chairman, I will begin by addressing H.R. 717. Section 1 of this
bill would expand the programs of education for which accelerated
payment of educational assistance may be made under the chapter 30
Montgomery GI Bill (MGIB) program. Specifically, this measure would
permit accelerated payment of the basic educational assistance allowance
to veterans pursuing a commercial driver’s license training program.
Under current law, an MGIB participant pursuing high-cost courses
leading to employment in a high technology occupation in a high
technology industry has the option of receiving an accelerated benefit
payment. This optional lump-sum accelerated benefit payment may cover up
to 60 percent of the cost of such a course, provided the pro-rated
course costs exceed 200 percent of the applicable monthly MGIB rate. The
lump-sum payment is deducted from the veteran’s MGIB entitlement balance
in the same manner as if paid on a monthly basis.
Mr. Chairman, this section of the bill would authorize accelerated
payment only for one type of training program that does not lead to
employment in a high technology industry, i.e., a commercial driver’s
license training program. It is not clear to us why an accelerated
payment is appropriate for this type of training, in particular, or to
the exclusion of other non-high technology, high-cost programs. Thus,
absent a showing of need therefor and because we do not believe such
piecemeal change to the current law is appropriate, we cannot support
section 1 of H.R. 717.
If enacted, VA estimates section 1 would cost $644 thousand during FY
2006 and $6.6 million over the period FYs 2006-2015.
Exclusion of Chapter 30 MGIB Education Benefits from Income for
Eligibility Determinations for Federal Education Loans
Section 2 of H.R. 717 would exclude educational assistance payments
received under the chapter 30 MGIB program from consideration as income
when determining the eligibility of a veteran for education grants or
loans under other provisions of Federal law.
Under the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. §§1070 et seq.)(HEA),
VA education benefits are not counted as income when determining
eligibility for any type of student aid under Title IV of the HEA.
However, the HEA does require that VA education benefits be counted as a
resource or estimated financial assistance for the Title IV campus-based
programs and for unsubsidized Stafford Loans, respectively. VA education
benefits are not included in the determination of eligibility for Pell
Grants or subsidized Stafford loans.
VA supports the concept of appropriately excluding VA education benefits
not only as income, but also from consideration as available assets or
other monetary resources for the purpose of determining eligibility for,
or the amount of, student assistance under Title IV of the HEA. We
strongly believe that the determination of need for student financial
assistance should not diminish the value of VA education benefits, which
are earned through service in our Nation’s Armed Forces. Rather, student
financial assistance should be made fully available to such VA
beneficiaries without regard to their separate VA education benefit
entitlement. In our view, such provisions more appropriately should be
included within the HEA. Accordingly, we look forward to discussing this
approach with the Department of Education for consideration as part of
the Administration’s HEA reauthorization proposal.
However, we note that this bill’s focus only on an exclusion from
"income" would not yield the presumably intended effect, since these
benefits are not now included as "income"--this bill would not affect
the current law provisions requiring that these benefits be considered
as "other financial assistance" when determining a veteran’s entitlement
to unsubsidized Stafford loans and campus-based aid. VA and the
Department of Education can provide technical drafting assistance to the
HEA authorizing committees if needed.
H.R. 745
Veterans Self-Employment Act of 2005
Mr. Chairman, the second bill under consideration today, H.R. 745, would
establish a five-year pilot project, to be implemented no later than 18
months after the date of enactment of the bill, to test the feasibility
and advisability of allowing the use of educational assistance benefits
under chapters 30, 32, and 35 of title 38 and chapters 1606 and 1607 of
title 10, United States Code, to pay for training costs associated with
the purchase of a franchise enterprise. The measure provides for a
lump-sum payment to the individual of the lesser of one-half of the
franchise fees or one-third of the benefit amount corresponding to the
individual’s remaining program entitlement. The number of months of
entitlement charged an individual would be equal to the number
determined by dividing the total amount of educational assistance paid
such individual for such training costs by the full-time monthly
institutional rate of educational assistance such individual would
otherwise be paid under the applicable chapter. H.R. 745 would prohibit
payment of educational assistance for franchise training unless
appropriate training is required and provided in connection with the
purchase and operation of a franchise and unless both the training and
the training entity are approved by VA. State approving agencies, in
lieu of VA, may approve the training and training entity using the
bill’s criteria. Not later than the end of the third year of the
proposed pilot project, the General Accountability Office would be
required to submit a report to Congress containing the results of
periodic evaluations of the project conducted by that Agency.
VA appreciates the objective of H.R. 745, but has concerns about its
efficacy in that regard, as drafted. While we recognize and acknowledge
the pilot nature of the proposed project, we believe this measure merits
further study and refinement. For example, as noted above, it would pay
training costs equal to one-half of the franchise fees or one-third of
the individual’s remaining entitlement. However, this appears to assume
that training costs generally comprise half of the franchise fee, yet we
have no evidence that this is the case. Also, it is our experience that
franchise fees usually do not reflect a finite allocation for training
expenses. Without the costs associated with the purchase of a franchise
enterprise being classified into separate categories such that those
associated with required training are disclosed, the pilot project would
lack a means of assessing whether the payments to be made would bear a
reasonable relationship to the actual training costs the individual
would incur. Thus, a breakdown of the training cost portion of the
franchise fee should be a requirement for approval.
Further, we note that, pursuant to 38 U.S.C. §3452(e)(2), on-job
training benefits are provided to eligible veterans undergoing training
required for the purpose of ownership or operation of a franchise that
is the objective of the training. Clearly, those individuals should not
also receive benefits under the proposed pilot program for the same
training. H.R. 745, however, contains no provisions addressing this
issue by, for example, requiring an election of benefits or precluding
pilot program benefits when other benefits are available for franchise
training.
Since, as indicated above, we believe H.R. 745 needs substantial further
study and consideration, VA cannot support the bill at this time.
If enacted, VA estimates H.R. 745 would result in readjustment benefit
costs of $7.5 million over the period FYs 2007-2012 with GOE costs
estimated at $3 million for computer system upgrades and administration
of the pilot project in FY 2006.
H.R. 1207
Department of Veterans Affairs Work-Study Act of 2005
Provision of Additional Areas of Work-Study for Veterans
Under current law, VA makes additional educational assistance allowance
payments (so-called work-study allowances) to eligible individuals who
agree to perform certain specified services, such as assisting in
outreach to service members and veterans regarding available benefits.
To participate, the individual must be pursuing a program of
rehabilitation, education, or training under chapter 30, 31, 32 or 34 of
title 38 or chapter 1606 or 1607 of title 10.
Section 2 of H.R. 1207 would expand the term “work-study activity” for
qualifying individuals to include (a) the provision of chapter 31
placement services at an educational institution (under the supervision
of a VA employee), (b) the provision of counseling and assistance in
identifying employment and training opportunities, as well as related
information and services under the Transition Assistance Program (TAP)
and the Disabled Transition Assistance (DTAP) Program to members of the
Armed Forces being separated from active duty and their spouses (under
the supervision of a disabled veterans’ outreach program specialist or
local veterans’ employment representatives); and (c) any activity
approved by VA in support of a Senior Reserve Officers’ Training Corps
program at an educational institution or military installation (under
the supervision of an administrator or instructor as found in section
2111 of title 10).
With regard to the use of work-study students at educational
institutions to provide placement services to disabled veterans, we
believe it is unrealistic to expect students to provide these highly
specialized counseling services currently being provided by GS-12
federal employees. The extensive training necessary for this purpose,
even for a student with the requisite background for this work, could
not appropriately be included as part of a work-study agreement since
the work-study program purpose is primarily to provide work, not
training, for the students. Moreover, providing the training for such
limited purpose would be an unproductive burden on VA’s resources.
With regard to work-study students assisting with the TAP and DTAP
programs, we agree with the intent of the provision, but are concerned
with some of the functions the student would be expected to perform.
Again, we don’t believe work-study students, in most cases, could
provide the counseling and employment assistance in identifying
employment and training opportunities provided for in this section
because such assistance requires specialized training. We would,
therefore, suggest deleting reference to such functions and, instead,
permit the work-study student to assist with the TAP and DTAP programs
in ways consistent with their abilities. VA also does not believe the
students need be supervised solely by the DOL employees mentioned in
this section. We believe in many cases that VA, DOD or contractor
personnel would be appropriate supervisors, as well. As written, this
section would unnecessarily restrict usage of work-study students in
support of the TAP and DTAP programs.
Finally, with regard to using work-study students to support Senior ROTC
programs at educational institutions and military installations, VA
supports this portion of section 2.
If enacted, VA estimates section 2 of H.R. 1207 would cost $1 million
during FY 2006 and $10.7 million over the period FYs 2006-2015.
5-Year Pilot Program for On-Campus Work-Study Positions
Section 3 of H.R. 1207 would direct VA, subject to regulations VA would
prescribe, to conduct a five-year pilot project to test the feasibility
and advisability of expanding the scope of qualifying work-study
activities to include work-study positions available on site at
educational institutions. These work-study positions would include
positions in academic departments (tutors, lab assistants, etc.) and in
student services (financial aid, cashiers, admission and records, etc.).
However, such positions would be filled only if an applicant could
demonstrate to VA that no other qualifying work-study activity was
available. VA would be required to ensure that no more than 10 percent
of all work-study agreements at any time were for the type of positions
provided under the pilot project. To participate in the pilot work-study
program, educational institutions would have to demonstrate that the
number and types of work-study positions offered during the pilot would
not exceed the number and types of positions offered in the preceding
year at that institution. For each of FYs 2006 through 2010, $1 million
would be appropriated to VA to carry out this project.
VA supports the intent of the pilot program envisioned in section 3
because we believe it is reasonable to have students perform these
services. However, we are strongly opposed to some of the administrative
restrictions found in this pilot project. For instance, we are opposed
to requiring an applicant to demonstrate that no other (non-pilot)
qualifying work-study position exists during the applicable agreement
period. This requirement imposes an unreasonable verification burden on
applicants. We are also opposed to the requirement that no more than 10
percent of all work-study agreements could be pilot positions "at any
time." Under this provision, VA would be required to make a daily
computation of the total number of work-study agreements and the number
of pilot position agreements. This daily calculation would be an undue
administrative burden on VA. The requirement that an educational
institution demonstrate that the number and types of work-study
positions offered in the pilot not exceed the number and types offered
in the preceding year at that institution also is problematic. It is
unclear what "types" means in this context. Further, we are unsure
whether institutions maintain a record of the number of positions
offered in the previous year, though they may have a record of the
number of positions filled. Overall, we suggest that the pilot program
have vastly fewer restrictions. We note that the 5-year temporary
positions already approved for work-study allowance do not have such
burdensome restrictions.
If enacted, VA estimates section 3 of H.R. 1207 would result in
readjustment benefit costs of $21.7 million over the period FYs
2006-2010 with GOE costs estimated at $1 million for each year of the
pilot.
Technical Corrections
Section 4 contains technical corrections to the work-study program
provisions. There are some technical problems with the proposed bill
that could make implementation difficult. We note that we will be making
some recommendations to committee staff for revising these amendments.
Mr. Chairman, this concludes my prepared statement. I would be pleased
to answer any questions you or any of the other members of the
Subcommittee may have.
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